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Re: Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

by PeterB <pkm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 23, 2008 at 01:54 PM

On Apr 22, 8:09 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> PeterB wrote:
> > Vaccine is certainly implicated in autism even if it's not
> > likely to be the sole trigger.  What's tragic is that vaccine is
> > so completely unncessary and without scientific basis.
>
> Really? Ever notice all those kids coming down with polio? Staying
> home from school from measles? Having birth defects from rubella?
> Not anymore.

Not any more?  Did you know that timeline data for all of these proves
conclusively that vaccine had nothing to do with those declines?  Look
it up.  When a child contracts a case of measles these days, it's
almost certain that it won't be re****ted due to vaccine bias based on
a child's vaccine status, yet the best vaccine can do is to limit or
reduce the severity of a viral infection (and sometimes it produces
symptoms not unlike the disease itself.)  Since parents nowadays don't
really suspect a communicable disease, a child is rarely presented to
a doctor for evaluation.   He or she stays out of school for a day or
two with a "flu bug."  Even if the child is presented for evaluation,
a doctor rarely orders blood work.  Again, that is based on vaccine
bias.  You probably don't know that measles mortality had already
declined by 95% before the vaccine was even introduced, and for that
to happen, severe morbidity had to be declining, as well.

> Vaccines completely eliminated polio in the Western hemisphrere,
> nearly completely stopped measles (with all cases from sources
> outside the US), decreased invasive Hib disease, nearly eliminated
> rubella-related birth defects, decrease the incidence and severity
> of chicken pox, decreased the rates of diptheria, tetanus and
> purtussis.

One of my cousins died at age 3 within an hour of receiving her
pertussis vaccine.  This was before I was born and people rarely
sought legal remedy against medical providers in those days. Both her
mother and my mother (who had not yet had children of her own)were
devastated by this loss.  It's true that such diseases today are not
the problem they once were, but vaccine was far too late in the game
to explain those declines.  Nowadays, we chalk most of our "mystery"
bugs up to that "weird flu" going around, but you don't really know.

> If you want to decrease the chances of your kid from getting sick
> or dying, then vaccines are necessary.

Care to back that up with risk-adjusted scientific evidence from a
published source?
 




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Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon
Ilena Rose <BIA@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 11:16:51 
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PeterB <pkm@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-22 16:38:36 
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drceephd@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-22 16:51:04 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-04-23 00:09:47 
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Myrl <wisgroup_leader@  2008-04-25 20:46:00 
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Myrl <wisgroup_leader@  2008-04-22 18:54:36 
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"news" <tool  2008-04-23 08:18:51 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-04-26 07:22:42 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-04-26 15:19:35 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-25 20:49:53 
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wright@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-22 23:09:23 
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"news" <tool  2008-04-23 08:22:47 
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wright@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-24 23:03:37 
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"news" <tool  2008-04-25 07:41:21 
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wright@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-25 19:13:53 
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"news" <tool  2008-04-25 19:54:24 
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wright@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-26 15:31:39 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-22 21:15:20 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-04-23 11:14:50 
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Myrl <wisgroup_leader@  2008-04-22 21:54:29 
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PeterB <pkm@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-23 13:31:18 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-04-23 22:28:56 
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"D. C. Sessions"  2008-04-23 20:40:43 
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"D. C. Sessions"  2008-04-23 20:39:35 
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PeterB <pkm@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-23 13:54:08 
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"D. C. Sessions"  2008-04-23 20:44:34 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-23 13:57:56 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-04-23 22:32:24 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-04-26 08:31:33 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-04-26 15:44:54 
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"D. C. Sessions"  2008-04-26 09:00:56 
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"news" <tool  2008-04-26 21:38:42 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-04-26 08:32:14 
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"news" <tool  2008-04-26 21:40:37 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-26 08:46:30 
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"D. C. Sessions"  2008-04-23 20:46:17 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-23 16:11:22 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-04-23 23:16:34 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-04-26 09:12:21 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-04-26 09:13:54 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-04-27 13:03:58 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-23 16:35:45 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-04-23 23:54:20 
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Myrl <wisgroup_leader@  2008-04-23 16:41:53 
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Myrl <wisgroup_leader@  2008-04-23 16:51:21 
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Jeff <kidsdoc2000@[EMA  2008-04-24 00:05:38 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-04-25 02:29:01 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-23 17:21:27 
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PeterB <pkm@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-23 17:21:38 
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"D. C. Sessions"  2008-04-23 20:41:58 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-23 17:29:23 
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Myrl <wisgroup_leader@  2008-04-23 17:52:01 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-24 07:11:22 
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Myrl <wisgroup_leader@  2008-04-24 07:39:53 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-25 20:18:26 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-04-26 07:20:04 
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Mark Probert <mark.pro  2008-04-27 13:03:18 
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Oliver <O_Epstein@[EMA  2008-04-22 20:45:53 
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Ilena Rose <BIA@[EMAIL  2008-04-23 08:18:21 
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Coleah <coleah@[EMAIL   2008-04-23 10:36:59 
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"Jan Drew" <  2008-04-25 02:34:38 
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Ilena Rose <BIA@[EMAIL  2008-04-23 13:14:31 
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Coleah <coleah@[EMAIL   2008-04-23 12:34:44 
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Ilena Rose <BIA@[EMAIL  2008-04-23 14:57:46 
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Kevysmom <bluebunny8@[  2008-04-23 14:09:41 
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"D. C. Sessions"  2008-04-23 20:48:39 
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Myrl <wisgroup_leader@  2008-04-23 15:08:16 
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Coleah <coleah@[EMAIL   2008-04-23 15:41:29 
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Coleah <coleah@[EMAIL   2008-04-26 19:14:41 
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