On May 3, 6:12=A0pm, PeterB <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 3, 4:23=A0pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "JOHN" <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > "Peter Moran" <pmo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> I don't believe that they can produce 30% 5 ysr on patients with
> > >> metastatic lung cancer and the other figures need more detailed
analy=
sis.
> > >> The five year rates of breast and colon cancer with lymph gland
sprea=
d
> > >> are in excess of 50% so that the exact mix of patients needs to be
> > >> known..
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> > > That is what happens when you promote allopathy, you end up
believing =
your
> > > own propaganda
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> > > If the patient has not undergone any conventional treatment
(especiall=
y
> > > chemotherapy or radiotherapy), GNM has a success rate of 95 to 98
perc=
ent.
> > > Ironically these statistics for Dr. Hamer's remarkable success rate
we=
re
> > > delivered by the authorities themselves.
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> > No, you cannot just make things up, =A0John. =A0In the their own
speil, =
the
> > Contreras clinic makes it clear that the results they claim are those
of=
the
> > combination of convenitonal and alternative methods they themselves
empl=
oy.
> > Remember Liam Holliday-Williams the famous New Zealand case? =A0They
gav=
e him
> > chemotherapy when =A0alternative methods failed to control his
neuroblas=
toma.
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> > They claim 95% results even in stage lV cancer, up to 1981. =A0 Yet
thre=
e
> > naturopaths, in a search for alternative methods =A0worthy of further
> > interest, =A0followed up 31 patients =A0treated by Contreras at his
Mexi=
can
> > clinic in 1983-84 =A0using postal questionnaires [7]. =A0 The patients
w=
ere
> > treated with Laetrile, a modified vegan diet, proteolytic enzymes, and
> > antioxidant supplements. =A09 of the patients were lost to follow-up,
> > suggesting death or decline in at least most. =A0 The 22 remaining
patie=
nts
> > were confirmed to have died within a mean period of seven months.
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> But the relative lifespan gains were skewed positively to the
> Contreras patients as the percentages show. =A0It's also dishonest of
> you to claim that conventional agents were used broadly in his
> patients, when that is not indicated. =A0Instead, natural agents were
> preferred, and if a patient wanted a standard treatment option, which
> some did, it was made available.
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> > See: Long Term Follow-up of cancer patients using Contreras, Hoxsey
and
> > Gerson therapies. =A0Austin S et al. J. Naturopathic Med. 1994;
5(1):74-=
75
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> > This was published as in
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> > >When Dr. Hamer was arrested in 1997 for having given three people
medic=
al
> > >advice without a medical license, the police confiscated his
patients'
> > >files and had them analyzed. Subsequently, one public prosecutor was
fo=
rced
> > >to admit during the trial that, after five years, 6,000 out of 6,500
> > > patients with mostly "terminal" cancer were still alive. With
> > > conventional treatment the figures are generally just the
> > > reverse. [2007 pdf] Dr. Hamer's Medical Paradigm By Caroline
> > > Markolin, Ph.D.http://whale.to/cancer/hamer.html
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> > This is a blatant fiction. =A0 WHy do alternaitve sup****ters lie so
> > much?
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> After reading many of your commentaries, PM, I have to conclude that
> if you say it's a lie, it *must* be the truth.
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> > Hamer is a absolute nut who belieives that cancer is something
> > that people bring on themselves -- =A0the cruelist, and most stupid,
> > and the most conrary to all experience and empirical evidence, of
> > all the crazy notions that alternative medicine has ever come up
> > with.
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> You're spinning as usual.
Well, they probably see it as automatic and compulsive
"reinterpretation" of your comments - they are very good
at misinterpretations, driblling off to side issues,
or outright distortions - ANYTHING to distract
attention one of the key points which is the deleterious
effects of chemotherapy and the inadequacy of
surgery.
Citizen Jimserac
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