Re: The Pharma Vaccine Franchise is a Product of Marketing, Not

On May 12, 10:47=A0am, "HCN" <h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "PeterB" <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 10, 1:23 am, "HCN" <h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ><rant snipped>
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> >> I really would like to know why in PeterB's Bizarro World why it is
> >> cheaper
> >> to not prevent diseases.
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> >First, you have to prove that MMR is actually preventive. =A0You
haven't
> >done that. Post a link to double-blind RCTs demonstrating the effects
> >of vaccine that use appropriate filters for nutritional status, immune
> >function, disease history, genetics, and other factors contributing to
> >disease epidemiology.
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> Why did you snip out all of my links?
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> Well, here are some more:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18357755?

Yes, people are still getting measles.  That's the point.  I suspect
the numbers are much, much higher than what is re****ted.  Vaccine bias
has not been able to sweep all outbreaks in vaccinated populations
under the rug.  Hhere are a few re****ts substantiating these
occurences.

Measles vaccine failures: lack of sustained measles specific
immunoglobulin G responses in revaccinated adolescents and young
adults. Department of Pediatrics, Georgetown University Medical
Center, Wa****ngton, DC 20007. Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal.
13(1):34-8, 1994 Jan.

Measles outbreak in 31 schools: risk factors for vaccine failure and
evaluation of a selective revaccination strategy. Department of
Preventive Medicine and Biostatistics, University of Toronto, Ont.
Canadian Medical Association Journal. 150(7):1093-8, 1994 Apr 1.

Secondary measles vaccine failure in healthcare workers exposed to
infected patients. Department of Pediatrics, Children's Hospital of
Philadelphia, PA 19104. Infection Control & Hospital Epidemiology.
14(2):81-6, 1993 Feb.

> >> (oh, and no amount of nutritional sup****t is going
> >> to prevent measles, the 6% number comes from the USA, and if you want
> >> more
> >> recent stuff check out Japan and Austria).
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> >Nonsense. =A0Nutritional status as a factor in infectious disease
> >resistance is well do***ented by health authorities world wide,
> >continues to be cited by WHO as a key to prevention *and*
> >treatment
> >(vitamin A) even where frank deficiencies are not apparent. =A0By
> >contrast, projections of infectious transmission are just that --
> >projections.
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> uh, yeah: =A0http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/mandi/51/9/805/_pdf

Also, according to University of Maryland Medical Center:
"...children deficient in vitamin A are more likely to DEVELOP [CAPS
for emphasis] infections (including measles). Vitamin A deficiencies
also cause such infections to be more severe, even fatal. Vitamin A
supplements reduce the severity and complications of measles in
children. Vitamin A also reduces the risk of death in infants with
this disease (especially in those who have low levels of the vitamin).
In areas of the world where vitamin A deficiency is widespread or
where at least 1% of those with measles die, the World Health
Organization recommends giving high doses of vitamin A supplements to
children with the infection."

ref: Coutsoudis A, Broughton M, Coovadia HM. Vitamin A
supplementation  reduces measles morbidity in young African children:
a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind trial. Am J Clin Nutr.
1991;54(5):890-895.

> oh, and Japan is such a nutritionally deficit third world country
(not):ht=
tp://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/japanese-measles-epidemic-...

Your logical fallacy that outbreaks of measles is somehow proof of the
effectiveness of vaccine is quite amusing.  Using that logic, I could
prove the effectiveness of rain dancing, or eating peanut butter
before a winning game.  Good for a laugh, though.

> >> I would also like to remind him that VAERS is a passive re****ting
syste=
m,
> >> and is not really a good statistical measure. Especially since after
> >> investigation the cause is often found to be something else (like
extre=
me
> >> prematurity, congenital heart condition, rolling off a couch or
turning=

> >> into
> >> Wonder Woman:http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=3D342).
>
> >Would you care to cite your sources for investigation of VAERS
> >incidents? =A0I didn't think so.
>
> Again I ask, why did you snip out all of the URLs I posted?
>
> Well, here is another
one:http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/15=
3/12/1279

And here's one from that same server do***enting the use of Vitamin A
in treating measles complications.  It describes use of this vitamin
in measles in a study evaluating children in New York city.  The
result was almost a 50% reduction in hospitalization.  Such  a
dramatic reduction in severe morbidity would necessarily represent a
huge reduction in mortality, don't you agree?
http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/146/2/18