Re: The Pharma Vaccine Franchise is a Product of Marketing, Not

On May 13, 4:09 am, schu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In misc.health.alternative PeterB <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> : On May 12, 1:25?am, schu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> :> In misc.health.alternative PeterB <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> :> : Our words identify our motives. ?
>
> :> Yes, one has to wonder at your motives when you accused me of lying
when
> :> I referred to studies that show that in at least some cases, the
> :> benefits of aspirin use outweigh the risks, and your motives in
refusing
> :> even to acknowledge the post in which I gave you two examples of such
> :> studies.
>
> : You have never cited a study showing that aspirin increases human
> : lifespan at all, thus your claims amount ot a lie.
>
> (1) Provide a citation to a post in which I claimed that it did (not to
> one in which you bizarrely reinterpret what I wrote).  If you can.
>
> (2) Explain what, in your opinion, the authors of the two studies that
> I cited were talking about when they discussed the benefits of taking
> aspirin.  Are you suggesting that the odds that a stroke will
significantly
> shorten a patient's lifespan are not higher than the odds that a
> gastrointestinal hemorrhage will significantly shorten a patient's
lifespan?
> Is so, what evidence do you have for that claim?  If not, in what sense
is
> the conclusion that "at least two recurrent strokes could prevented at
> the cost of one gastrointestinal haemorrhage" (Derry and Loke, p. 1186)
> *not* equivalent to saying that taking aspirin increases the lifespan
> of someone at risk for recurrent stroke?

Human life is beyond statistics Richard, there are FUNDAMENTAL flaws
in your approach to these matters.
Life is not a solution or chemical compound.

Your response fails to mention OTHER deleterious effects of aspirin -
lower blood pressure, its dangerous effects on some children, AND, its
long term use damage to cartilage, in addition to the admitted
gastrointestinal problems.

The American College of Gastroenterology has a good link covering the
gastrointestinal issues - including asymptomatic ulcers. The
statistics of the articles you mentioned, and  your own blind approach
to statistical averages in evaluating medicine, does not take THAT,
for example, into consideration.  What if the person who has an ulcer
but has no symptoms and will NEVER get a stroke is taking aspirin long
term.  This person is slowly killing themself with the aspirin
intended to do some good.  Statistically you might say isignificant
but try telling that to that person.

Citizen Jimserac