Re: The Myth Of Occupied Gaza

On May 10, 9:41 pm, "Peter Webb"
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> > On May 11, 12:08 am, "Peter Webb"
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> >> "Viejo Vizcacha" <nats_ugly...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > On May 10, 11:29 pm, "Peter Webb"
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> >> >> "Viejo Vizcacha" <elbie_jovis_ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > Peter Webb wrote:
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> >> >> >> "Viejo Vizcacha" <nats_ugly...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>> On May 10, 2:41 pm, "simple_langu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>> <simple_langu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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source:http://www.wa****ngtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/09/AR200...
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> >> >> >>>> authors: David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey are Wa****ngton
> >> >> >>>> lawyers
> >> >> >>>> who served in the Justice Department under Presidents Ronald
> >> >> >>>> Reagan
> >> >> >>>> and George H.W. Bush. They were members of the U.N.
Subcommission
> >> >> >>>> on
> >> >> >>>> the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights from 2004 to
2007.
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> >> >> >>> Nuff said. I do not even have to read that piece to know it
does
> >> >> >>> not
> >> >> >>> bring anything different than what is being pushed by AIPAC.
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> >> >> >>> VV
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> >> >> >> You should have read it. It makes a compelling case that Gaza
and
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> West Bank are not "occupied territory", and Israel has
> >> >> >> (essentially)
> >> >> >> no
> >> >> >> duty-of-care over the residents of that area.
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> >> >> > Nobody asked Israel to take care of the residents of Gaza. What
is
> >> >> > requested is that Israel does not strangle Gaza.
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> >> >> > VV
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> >> >> Yes they are. They want Israel to provide it with fuel, food, and
> >> >> electricity.
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> >> >> Israel is doing *nothing* to stop Gaza obtaining these; all it is
> >> >> doing
> >> >> is
> >> >> refusing to supply unlimitted quantities of these itself.
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> >> > Nope. Every ****p that approaches Gaza risks to be sunk by Israel
that
> >> > control the waters around Gaza.
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> >> No. Israel enforces an embargo only on im****ting weapons; a not
> >> unreasonable
> >> position given these weapons would very likely be used to try and
kill
> >> Israelis.
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> >> I am unaware of Israel sinking a ****p for refusing to comply with
this
> >> restriction, or even getting anywhere close to doing so. Of course,
if
> >> you
> >> had a link to sup****t your assertion, I might change my opinion. You
> >> don't,
> >> do you?
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> >> > Israel controls the waters, the air,
> >> > and even the land of Gaza.
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> >> Also patently untrue. If Israel controlled Gaza, they wouldn't allow
> >> people
> >> in Gaza to shoot rockets into Israel. Obviously.
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> >> > Israel is the master of Gaza, and acts like
> >> > the guards in German extermination camps.
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> >> This is your opinion, but is completely unsup****ted by any evidence.
The
> >> "facts" which you seem to base this statement on (as listed by you
above)
> >> are obviously false.
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> >> If your "facts" turn out to be wrong, will you change your opinion?
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> > What facts? Israel can kill entire families in Gaza, and has done so.
> > Any Palestinian knows that he can be killed at any time by any trigger
> > happy Israeli soldier. All Palestinians know that Israel is the
> > master, that 20 years old Israeli soldiers hold the power to let you
> > live or kill you, without need of any excuse.
>
> > VV
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> Before we change topic onto new allegations about Israel, do you accept
that
> your previous allegations are wrong? Specifically, do you accept that:
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> 1. Israel does not control the domestic affairs of Gaza. Hamas is the
> government of Gaza.

Yeah, right.  They're the only supplier of food, water, and
electricity that they allow and they don't "control" anything.

> 2. Israel is not stopping Gaza from im****ting anything they like, by
> whatever means they like, from anybody who wants to sell them anything,
with
> the sole exception of bringing in weapons that may be used to wage war
on
> Israel.

Except food. And water.  And, well, pretty much everything.

> 3. In a somewhat bizarre twist, the government of Israel is in fact
> supplying goods and services to Gaza, despite the fact that the
government
> of Gaza is committed to the destruction of Israel.
>

As is the  duty of any military occupier.  ANd yes, idiot, they are
still an occupier.

> When these have been resolved, perhaps we can move onto your new and
> different rant about the evil of Israel.
>
>

Resolved.

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> >> If not, there would seem little points in discussing the "facts", as
you
> >> don't care about facts in forming your opinion. If you are prepared
to
> >> change your opinions on the basis of facts (as I am), I am happy to
> >> continue
> >> pointing out any factual errors in your posts, as indeed I welcome
you to
> >> point out any errors of fact in mine.
>
> Are you happy to change your opinions if your "facts" turn out to be
wrong?
>
>