Re: The Myth Of Occupied Gaza

>>
>> Before we change topic onto new allegations about Israel, do you accept

>> that
>> your previous allegations are wrong? Specifically, do you accept that:
>>
>> 1. Israel does not control the domestic affairs of Gaza. Hamas is the
>> government of Gaza.
>
> Hamas have not been allowed to govern Gaza. Israel controls the
> movement of Palestinians, the water supply and it controls the skies
> over the occupied territories. Israeli influence over countries that
> supplied aid to the Palestinians means that it has ceased.
>

These are untrue at worst and misleading at best.

Israel exercises no control over the internal affairs of Gaza. None. Zero.

They do control what goes into and out of Gaza. They use this power only
to 
prevent the inflow of weapons into Gaza.

I don't know why Iran (for example) doesn't supply Gaza with cheap petrol;

they do after all have the second largest oil reserves in the world, and
are 
supposedly an ally of the Palestinian people. They don't, though, and
that's 
got nothing to do with the Israeli blockade. It is on weapons only.



>> 2. Israel is not stopping Gaza from im****ting anything they like, by
>> whatever means they like, from anybody who wants to sell them anything,

>> with
>> the sole exception of bringing in weapons that may be used to wage war
on
>> Israel.
>
> 'Wage war on Israel' ..... You mean defend themselves against the
> overwhelming military superiority of Israel.
>

Well, whatever you call it, the purpose is to stop people in Palestine
from 
killing Israelis.

Its not to "starve" the Palestinian people; food (for example) is not 
embargoed.


>> 3. In a somewhat bizarre twist, the government of Israel is in fact
>> supplying goods and services to Gaza, despite the fact that the 
>> government
>> of Gaza is committed to the destruction of Israel.
>
> I think that you will find the UN are keeping many Palestinians alive.

In Gaza? How?

> Perhaps you could give us some details of these 'goods and services'
> Israel is supplying to the Palestinians.


Electricity, fuel, food, international telecommunications services, 
machinery.


> Israel has imprisoned many of
> the elected Hamas party members.

For terrorism.


> Israel refuses to acknowledge the
> peoples choice of government.

I note that you don't say "democratically elected" because of course they 
weren't - the elected government of "Palestine" is Fatah, Gaza is in fact
a 
break-away "province" where Hamas took defacto control in a military coup.

Puting that short history lesson aside, WTF is your statement supposed to 
mean? What sovereign nation in the entire world "acknowledges" Hamas as 
controlling Gaza any more or any less than Israel "acknowledges" it?



> As we both know the total destruction
> of Israel will never happen.

I hope, anyway.


>  You insinuate Israel is the big brother
> that despite it's younger brothers misdemeanors it continues to care
> for him.

I insinuate nothing of the sort. I will make my own arguments, thank you.


> Water is a basic human need for survival and yet Israel
> controls 80% of it and are indeed deliberately contaminating supplies
> destined for Palestinian inhabitants.
>

Evidence?


>> When these have been resolved, perhaps we can move onto your new and
>> different rant about the evil of Israel.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> If not, there would seem little points in discussing the "facts", as

>> >> you
>> >> don't care about facts in forming your opinion. If you are prepared
to
>> >> change your opinions on the basis of facts (as I am), I am happy to
>> >> continue
>> >> pointing out any factual errors in your posts, as indeed I welcome
you 
>> >> to
>> >> point out any errors of fact in mine.
>>
>> Are you happy to change your opinions if your "facts" turn out to be 
>> wrong?
>
> http://www.btselem.org/english/gaza_strip/gaza_status.asp
>

That site does not claim that Israel is stopping anything or anybody 
entering or leaving Gaza, other than weapons.

It therefore seems to directly contradict what you are claiming.