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Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GENOCIDE

by "geno4321" <eugenefkent@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Your a liar engaging in zionazi Weasel Talk.

"jgarbuz" <jgarbuz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:3a7dfa01-9841-4ba8-8130-4bf9d3f62a67@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 May 12, 1:28 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 12, 6:47 am, YhauWa <lechina3...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> By Ben White
> São Paulo, Brazil
> As Israel celebrates 60 years of statehood this month, Palestinians
> are taking the op****tunity to remember the catastrophic shattering of
> their society in 1948. It is not simply a question of recalling the
> past; they continue to struggle for self-determination and to have
> their rights recognized under international law.<

What right do they have to self-determination? Do they have more right
than the Kurds, or Assyrians, or Baluchis, and many others suppressed
by Arab domination? The Palestinians were offered a state many times
since 1937, and have chosen instead to block the self-determination of
the Jewish nation which was recognized by the League of Nations. No
Palestinian nation existed in 1920. They have no more rights than Jews
had in Poland or Yemen. If they want rights, they have to ask Israel
to grant them rights through a process of negotiations.

> Yet it is a mistake to consider the past 60 years as simply a story
> of
> unmitigated disaster for the Palestinian people. There have also been
> significant successes and achievements – and it is a story worth
> telling. This is all the more remarkable, given the extent to which
> the society was devastated in 1948: Israel destroyed some 400
> villages as 85 percent of Palestinians in what became Israel were
> dispossessed.<

It probably should have been 100% just like the dispossession of the
Jews of Arabia under Muhammad. THe Arabs chose not to accept next to
Israel, and chose war, so they lost fair and square in a war they
started. What about the one million Jews dispossessed in the Arab
counties? What makes Palestinians so special that only they have the
right to cry about being dispossessed?

> In spite of everything, Palestinians have not only survived but won
> international recognition for Palestinian statehood thanks to
> unflagging persistence. Often bereft of allies, they have struggled
> to
> make substantive political gains. But Palestinians inside Israel, the
> Occupied Territories, and the dias****a have resisted Israeli
> domination – and refused to just "go away."<

They can stay, if they are loyal to the State of ISrael, or go away
just like many Russian Jews went away.  But if they stay and cause
trouble, they are going to get ****ed even worse. Israel is Jewish
land and nothing is going to changet that fact.

> This Palestinian resolution is embodied in the Nassars, a Christian
> family I have come to know over the years. Owners of a beautiful
> piece
> of land overlooking Nahalin village to the west of Bethlehem, they
> have seen illegal settlements spring up on the hillsides around them
> and thus far survived attempts by the occupying Israeli military to
> confiscate their property.
> Whether blocking the path of trespassing settlers, pursuing their
> case in the courts, or connecting with sup****ters around the world, the
> Nassars have mobilized the resources of their family and community.
> Most inspiringly, they have developed their land to host children's
> camps, intercultural exchange, and foreign guests, knowing that they
> have to fight to remain on their own land.
> Theirs is a victory that resonates with the historical Palestinian
> refusal to simply accept their lot and – especially since the 1960s –
> the parallel determination to organize grass-roots resistance.
> Perhaps
> the most significant achievement was the first intifada, a popular
> uprising in the late 1980s that showed the Israelis that their
> occupation came with a price, as well as displaying to the world the
> oppressive reality of Israeli policy.<

In fact, due to the first intifada, their life got worse. And will
continue to get worse until they accept that Israel is Jewish land and
that they are the Arab occupiers of Jewish land.

> A further profound achievement of the past few decades has been the
> flouri****ng of Palestinian civil society. Emphasizing democratic
> participation and education, these refugee camp community centers,
> dance troupes, media organizations, and human rights groups have
> offered vital strength to a besieged society. It was in part due to
> this deeply rooted culture of active citizen****p that the
> Palestinians
> were able to hold elections that in their professionalism and
> transparency were the envy of the Arab world.<

In OTW, they've learned a lot from Israel.

> Building on a vibrant tradition of intellectual life, Palestinian
> scholars and academics have risen to global prominence in recent
> decades, not only as advocates of their people's struggle, but also
> as
> figures of repute in their own disciplines.<

They learned from the Jews, as is  usually the case.

> Meanwhile, drawing on their rich cultural and religious heritage, as
> well as the experience of exile and struggle, Palestinian writers,
> poets, artists, filmmakers, and even hip-hop artists have contributed
> much, not only to their own people, but to the whole world.
> Historically, one obstacle to peace has been the fact that Israel
> felt
> able to pursue its policies of dispossession and occupation without
> much international attention. This was closely related to the fact
> that the Zionist mythologized version of what had happened in 1948
> went unchallenged in the West – and within Israel – for a long time.
> Now, however, through such factors as the Israeli "New Historians,"
> the tireless efforts of campaigners, and new media technology that
> enables wide dissemination of "on the ground" information," the
> Palestinians have been able to force cracks in the Israeli propaganda
> facade.<

Actually, the Zionist side of the story has never been properly told.
Arab propaganda and left wing lies have been allowed to stand and
brush aside the truth. The truth is that the Palestinians are NOT
indigenous, and that they did occupy ancient Jewish soil, and that
thanks from the beginning of Zionist return starting in the 1880s, the
increase in health services and job op****tunites caused a demographic
explosion of the Arab population in Palestine. The Arab side ignores
the League of Nations resolution that confirmed that the Jewish
National Home is rightfully in Palestine, and did not accept it to be
part of the Greater Arab nation. Arabs in  Palestine, just like Jews
in Poland, were just residents entitled to civil and religious rights,
but no national rights. The US just barely gives national rights to
Indians.
The Palestinians belong in reservations just like the Indians. There's
been a Palestinian state since 1923 called Jordan. It was created in
eastern Palestine for the Arabs.
And the Arabs don't want a second state next to Israel. They want to
dissolve Israel. It's not going to happen.
 




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ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GENOCID
Aviroce <dudaraster@[E  2008-05-12 10:28:24 
Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GEN
xxarag@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 10:52:07 
Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GEN
Eli Grubman <eli.grubm  2008-05-12 18:11:09 
Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GEN
"geno4321" <  2008-05-13 12:52:13 
Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GEN
jgarbuz <jgarbuz@[EMAI  2008-05-12 11:00:41 
Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GEN
"geno4321" <  2008-05-13 12:53:38 
Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GEN
"Frank Arthur"   2008-05-12 16:23:39 
Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GEN
Aviroce <dudaraster@[E  2008-05-12 21:11:57 
PALESTINE IS IRREVERSIBLE
Aviroce <dudaraster@[E  2008-05-12 21:28:54 
Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF DOMINATION, EXPROPRIATION, GEN
"Dan Haim" <  2008-05-13 10:00:27 
Re: PALESTINE IS IRREVERSIBLE
xxarag@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 03:02:45 
Re: PALESTINE IS IRREVERSIBLE
Eli Grubman <eli.grubm  2008-05-13 06:26:15 
Re: PALESTINE IS IRREVERSIBLE
"geno4321" <  2008-05-13 12:55:43 
Re: PALESTINE IS IRREVERSIBLE
jgarbuz <jgarbuz@[EMAI  2008-05-13 10:15:58 
Re: PALESTINE IS IRREVERSIBLE
AndreH <andre_hamon@[E  2008-05-13 13:08:17 
Re: ISRAEL CELEBRATES 60 YEARS OF WHIPPING PALLIES ASS
"Ramabriga" <  2008-05-17 01:15:22 

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