On May 16, 4:28=A0am, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Day Brown" <daybr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> news:9r9Xj.3241$hJ1.329@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Mavisbeacon wrote:
> >> "I have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this
> >> division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed
> >> in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers." -
> >> Heinrich Himmler (head of Nazi SS troops)
>
> >> Yeah and Hitler liked the Mona Lisa and JS Bach. does that mean Bach
an=
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> >> Leonardo Da Vinci were evil?
> > Were they politically useful?
> > I just finished "Tamerlane", by Marzoli, on the last great Islamic
> > conqueror. He says as far as Tamerlane was concerned, Allah was an
excus=
e
> > to rape, pillage, and burn the infidel, and if they were Muslims who
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> > anything, then they were bad Muslims who desrved, as we now say, the
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> > victimhood.
>
> Yeah? Actually the guy who started the crusades (on the Muslims side -
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> one before the one before Saladin) died after a bout of drinking. He
> threathned one of his slaves and fell asleep, drunk. The slave, fearing
he=
> would be put to death when his master sobered up - killed him! Slavery
and=
> drunkeness were certainly not exclusive to Muslims either though.
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>
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> > I dont defend Christianity, but exposing its faults does not justify
> > Islam's.
>
> Where did I justify Islam? All I did was oint out that the claims made
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> islam are not exclusive to Islam! well that and the "Islamist
conspiracy"
> theory which claim Islamists are organised in a "worldwide network" and
ha=
ve
> "sleeper cells" and are the greatest threat to the world! I mean, get a
> grip!... a single earthquake and a hurricane last week killed more
people
> than Islamists have in the preceeding century!
>
> >How about Buddhism? How many Buddhist monks have been suicide bombers
whe=
n
> >they wanted troops out of Vietnam?
>
> Buddhism have their problems to. I realise Japanese Buddhish's are
differe=
nt
> but I recollect a *** and drunkeness scandal about two years ago. But
> Buddhism is not a majority religion there! I mean take India . Hindu
Musli=
m
> Sick and CHRISTIANS have more people than Buddhists. AS I pointed out
Hind=
us
> and Sichs also have violence associated with them. But in fact ALL these
> religions decry violence of the terrorist type! It is only FRINGE
elements=
> who practice it. and NON RELIGIOUS groups killed FAR MORE people than
all
> the religions combined!
>
> >How many women and kids did they kill?
>
> Trick one that it depends on which Buddhism and whether it is theistic.
> Because Buddhism is basically atheistic. So it is a Godless religion. If
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> go to Chinese Buddhism I am sure you will accept the ancestor/em****or
> wor****pping varity . will you? Well then you have MILLIUONS killed by
> various Chinese and Japanese regimes. Although these were "Buddhist" I
wou=
ld
> argue they were atheist.
>
> >Have Buddhists used artillery against ancient sacred Islamic monuments?
>
> Well it would have been difficult for them to do so since there werent
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> in China and Japan! But you question is moot since China and Japan had
> gunpowder and indeed even guns for centuries before Europeans. But
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> of their culture they didn't use artillery on ANYONE really because they
> didnt need to in their stable culture. They stuck with Em****ors and
Shogun=
s
> and had regimes lasting thousands of years. In fact over about 5,000
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> you only have four or five dynasties in China! Thats about a Millennium
a
> government! Excepting the Mongol dynasty of course which was quite
recent =
in
> Chinese terms. And it was Shamanistic.
>
> >Do they rob Islamic graves for artifacts or deface Islamic art?
>
> Well Maoists have been responsible for certainly tens of Millions of
death=
s
> in the twentieth century. they still have the most appaling human rights
> record. so I don't think you are winning any arguments by comparing them
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o
> Muslims. Some Maoist groups even make Islamists look tame e.g. the
****ning=
> Path.
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>
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> > I have a copy of the Maitreyasamiti texts in Tocharian A, which dates
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om
> > the 5th century. Its a conversation between the living Buddah and the
> > Gautamid Queen of Kucha. When mysogeny comes up, Buddha replies that
he
> > was raised and educated by women, and condemns it. The Queen makes
> > reference to the "arrogant Sakyas" who operate like druglords, and we
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e
> > still run much of Central Asia. Islam is an excuse for thuggary and
> > mysogeny, and as we see in Tamerlane, always has been.
>
> Actually the word "thug" comes from "thugee" which was an assassin cult
th=
e
> sort of Islamist OPPOSED by Saladin! Indian Thugee were KALI
wor****ppers.
> And the Mongols and Asatru has much in common - both Pagan warriors. You
> also have ****nto Buddhist Samurai. Not to leave out the =A0Knights
Templar=
I
> believe Saladin called them "the Fiery Heart of Christendom".
Hindus and Buddhists had no power for more than 1200 years in India or
in other parts of Buddhist /hindu countries.
Your points make me laughing because you are not Buddhist.
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