On Jul 12, 12:57=A0am, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, by
carefully avoiding some fact while twisting others around, wrote:
> Shlomo wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 9:10 pm, Gary the Dago <lizg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > I don't care how liars
>
> Who's told any lies beside your shameful self?
Everything you post is a rehash of the lies that Arab liars who
believe their own lies tell.
> who believe their own lies respond.
> You wouldn't. Like an unfortunate percentage of your breed (mercifully
> not the majority), you seem to be a creature of no honour, pride or
shame=
..
It's pathetic that you classify telling the truth as such.
Fortunately for all of us, it totally destroys your credibility.
> > The government of Israel represents the will of a majority of its
> > citizens; 'nuff said.
>
> And perhaps if they allowed their captive population to express *their*
> will and become citizens instead of captives the outcomes of these votes
> would be somewhat different. 'nuff said.
But of course the reality is that those Arabs who live in an area that
became part of Israel in late June, 1967 have declined to accept
Israeli citizen****p. Why do you ignore that?
As far as the rest of the land taken by Israel in RESPONSE to a war
waged against it, it's been offered to the Arabs for their own nation,
and they TURNED IT DOWN!
Amazing how the Arabs have been offered everything you say should be
offered to them, and then turn it down!
> > Nationalized is a fancy word for stolen.
>
> Not necessarily. Nationalized can also be a word for righting historical
> wrongs.
It wasn't Egyptian money that built the Suez Canal, so Nasser in fact
did steal it from the LEGAL owner.
> And I'm no Communist or fan of Fidel. Saying that, he righted some
> serious exploitation of Cubans and their resources. Do you honestly
> think that any future Cuban government would return to the status quo
> that existed under Fulgencio Battista?
Seizing the resort, farming, and oil assets that were LEGALLY OWNED by
individuals who LEGALLY PURCHASED them is THEFT.
> > What Israel was given was land in which Jews were the supermajority of
> > the population, so nothing was stolen from the Arabs.
>
> Tell that crap to the Palestinian refugees that to this day hold deeds
> and keys to properties that they can't return to and never received
> shekel *one* in return for.
If their side hadn't started the War of Genocide against the Jews, the
natural consequence that you describe never would've occurred.
And don't forget that when a return was offered during the 1949
Armistice talks, the Arabs TURNED IT DOWN!
So again, stop blaming Israel for problems the Arabs created for
themselves.
> >>> That part of Palestine that the LEGAL GOVERNMENT gave to the
Zionists
> >>> was limited to an area where the Jews were a supermajority, along
wit=
h
> >>> a virtually uninhabited region. =A0The Zionists were not given "Arab
> >>> Turf"; rather, they were given sovereignty only over that area where
> >>> they had built a nation.
> >> This distortion of yours has already been addressed at considerable
> >> length previously.
>
> > What you brush off as a "distortion" is in reality an accurate
> > description of what really happened.
>
> Hardly. It was a spin and a distortion of history. Can you say
> "revisionism"?
The only person in this discussion trying to revise reality is you,
Gary.
> >> =A0 So unlike the USA, Canada, and> Australia, Israel was founded and
=
built by an indigenous people.
>
> >> Again not so. The indigenous Jews (the Sephardim) lived in Palestine
> >> since "forever" but certainly didn't "found" anything in modern times
> >> and I am told are treated as second-class izzies today. (I must admit
=
to
> >> having no personal knowledge of this, never having been to the
zionist
> >> entity).
>
> > Visit it some time. =A0They tolerate Dagos.
>
> That's mighty generous of the "kikes".
It's more freedom and generosity than Arabs extend to Jews.
> >> I refuse to engage in this conversation again. We have already done
th=
is.
>
> > So don't; we can all tolerate the peace and quiet.
>
> It's yourself who's whipping this dead horse, not me.
By repeating Arab lies, you are inviting correction.
> > Despite the FACT that the bulk of the Syrian Arabs who lived in
> > Palestine were themselves recent immigrants, the LEGAL GOVERNMENT did
> > give them their own nation, giving the Jews only that ****tion where
> > they were a supermajority.
>
> > Furthermore, the Arabs were on the wrong side of the recently ended
> > WWII, and all things considered, they got off easy.
>
> I will let you guess what the reply about the remains of European Jewry
> might be, should it be posted.
And your point is ....?
> > Finally, how many Arabs in the Middle East have a direct voice in
> > their government decisions? =A0Arabs in the U.S., Europe, and Israel
> > have a larger voice in government decision than do other Arabs in the
> > Mideast.
>
> So? What does the paragraph above have to do with the current dialogue?
You claim the Syrians who lived in what became Palestine weren't asked
for a buy-in to the idea of splitting the Palestine Mandate into 2
nations. I simply point out that it's the way things are done.
The biggest problem, of course, is that the Syrians who lived in the
Palestine Mandate refused to recognize the rights of the other ethnic
group, who had a stronger claim incidentally, based on ancestry, than
they did. Yet the Syrians of Palestine were given their own nation
and TURNED IT DOWN!
> > Let's try again. =A0Their nation was invaded, and they sup****ted the
> > invaders. =A0That's TREASON.
>
> No. Their nation was invaded true enough, by zionist nazis, and they
> tried to just get on with their lives. That WAS A BIG MISTAKE.
The Zionists were LEGAL RESIDENTS who established a nation in ONLY
that part of the Palestine Mandate in which they were a supermajority,
Dago. Furthermore, that action was authorized by the LEGAL GOVERNMENT
of the Palestine Mandate.
> > Of course you disagree, because the TRUTH totally destroys your
> > credibility.
>
> I have yet to see you post a helluva lot of "TRUTH", and am not holding
> my breath waiting for you to do so.
Keep denying reality, Gary.
> >>> It takes TWO to define a border, and Transjordan chose not to define
> >>> its western border. =A0Why?
> >> Several reasons, some of which favour your argument.
> >> 1.The Jordanians would have the Palestinians living elsewhere than
Jor=
dan.
> >> 2.They were not capable of defending the West Bank.
> >> 3.The were kicked out and they knew that they were going to have to
> >> share governance of the place with the izzies.
> >> 4.It made more political sense to use the Palestinians as a
"political
> >> football" in the same way that the Egyptians did with the Gazans.
>
> > Thank you for admitting that the Arabs are the root cause of their own
> > problems.
>
> I didn't. but unlike your lying self, I don't think that "myside' are
> saints. The Arab governments did many wrong stupid things. You try to
> pretend that your wonderful entity is somehow saintly and that every
> atrocity it commits is marvelous and justified.
> It is by this overstating of the izzie side of things that you destroy
> your credibility. My thanks for doing this.
Israel is RESPONDING to Arab atrocities committed against it.
Furthermore, Israel has offered the Syrian Arabs of Palestine their
own nation, something incidentally that their own brother Arabs never
did, and in fact stole from them in 1948, and the Syrian Arabs of
Palestine TURN IT DOWN.
I'm sure you can dig up the Arab crap as to why Arafart turned down an
offer of his own nation during the Camp David 2000 talks, but what you
will not be able to produce is any counteroffer that didn't require
Israel to accept its own destruction.
In 1947, the LEGAL GOVERNMENT of the Palestine Mandate authorized the
creation of TWO nations in the Palestine Mandate. The Arabs have
STILL failed to build theirs, and instead continue to try to destory
the Jewish Nation.
These are the FACTS.
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