On Jul 13, 11:53=A0am, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Zev wrote:
> > Do you think that any Palestinian government
> > would return to the status quo that existed
> > a century ago?
>
> No. A century ago they were subjects of the Ottoman Empire and I doubt
> that they'd inflict the Turks on themselves again.
>
> > Why do you ask such questions?
>
> It was a rhetorical question, as I'm sure you're aware. Stanley the
> Schmoo threw in the bit about Castro in an attempt to obfuscate. I
> merely threw it back at him. Suggest you ask the Schmoo why he threw in
> something about Cuba.
It was the Dago who opened the discussion on dictators who steal
private property, as Nasser did with the Suez Canal.
>
> > If the Arabs had not carried out across the board attacks
> > throughout the Yishuv
>
> "Yishuv"?
> Translation please. I don't speak gibberish.
For some who's such an expert on the conflict, it's amazing that you
don't recognize this Hebrew word.
> between 1947 and 1948, perhaps the nature of> the subsequent Jewish
victo=
ry would have been different.
>
> That was neighboring Arab *countries*, *not* the poor bastards who had
> lived in their homes for centuries and were terrorized out by the
> zionist s***. Those people had attacked nobody, they were the innocent
> victims of murdering zionist thugs.
It has been long established that most Syrian Arabs who lived in the
area that the British mapped as Palestine did not have 100's of years
of residency. Furthermore, except for some areas around the Sea of
Galilee and Jerusalem, the area was virtually uninhabited by 1890,
which was just after the start of the Return.
It is also established history that the Jews formed the predecessor of
the Haganah in the 1880's to defend themselves against Arab murderers
and terrorists.
Finally, it is also established history that the Zionists came as
LEGAL immigrants who LEGALLY PURCHASED land. They had as much LEGAL
right to be there as did the Hispanics who "drove" the Jews out of the
Lower East Side or of the Blacks who "drove" the Jews out of East New
York, Crown Heights, and Brownsville. In other words, a person who
LEGALLY moves in and LEGALLY acquires a homestead does not "drive out"
anybody.
> > As it was, the ceaseless attacks against all
> > isolated Jewish settlements only gave Zionist commanders
> > every reason to see neighboring Arab villages
> > as threatening and to act accordingly.
> Ok show me the deed. I just know that you have a marvellous real estate
> deal for anyone who buys into your sentence above!
On November 29, 1947, the LEGAL GOVERNMENT of Palestine told the Jews
and Arabs to each establish their own nation in Palestine. Instead
the Arabs ratcheted up a War of Genocide against the Jews. The
Zionist response was necessary and appropriate.
If the Arabs had built their own nation, as the Jews did, we wouldn't
be having this discussion today.
> > Are their former residents refugees?
>
> Well, if it was within my power, I'd certainly make the current Jewish
> community in Hebron refugees in very short order.
So according to your logic, it was okay for the Arabs to expel the
Jews from Hebron in 1929, but not okay for the Jews to move back.
> > Do they have the same rights as the Palestinians?
>
> Do they? I haven't heard of any "Palestinian only" roads in the WB, have
> you? Otoh, "Jew-only" roads in the WB are a slightly different matter.
> Do Jews and Palestinians get treated equally at the endless roadblocks?
> So, I'd suspect that they just might have a couple of extra rights that
> the Palestinians seem to lack.
Of course you conveniently ignore that if the Arabs took the
op****tunity given to them by Oslo 1993 to build a nation instead of a
terrorist state, none of this would be happening. If they built their
nation, instead of using land under their control to send homicide
bombers into Israel, there wouldn't be a physical separation.
> > Could it be that the ill treatment they received,
> > coupled with threats of "idbach al yahud",
> > influenced Jewish thinking later on?
>
> Or could it be that the ill-treatment they received from the Nazis
> became a "how to behave when *you* have the gun" lesson for these WWII
> refugees? Or perhaps they are just murderous s*** by nature, similar to
> the creatures that inhabit ex-Yugoslavia?
The Arabs were offered their own nation in 1947, 1949, 1967, 1981,
1993, 2000, and 2001, and TURNED IT DOWN. They were handed the area
under their control in 1993 for the purpose of building a nation, and
instead chose to build a terrorist base. What's happened to them is a
natural result of what happens to murderers and terrorists.
> > Every war for 'Lebenstraum' tends to be vicious
> > because the stakes are so high.
>
> Sure. If you want to steal someone's home, chances are that they'll
> probably object. Murder is a quick way of stifling these objections.
Which is what the ARABS chose to do following the November 29, 1947
decision of the LEGAL GOVERNMENT of Palestine to establish two nations
from the Palestine Mandate. Basically, the ARABS set the rules of the
game, and lost by their own rules.
> > Given the train of atrocities leading up to
> > the Israeli 'War of Independance',
> > Arab slogans of 'idbach al yahud',
> > war aims of 'driving the Jews into the sea',
> > did it make sense to depend on Jewish inhibitions
> > to prevent them from doing
> > everything in their power to win?
>
> Well certainly appealing to a zionist's "better nature" would be a waste
> of time, since these are a people without scruples, morals, or any
> standard of ethical behavior.
The only lack of ethical behavior is from the ARABS who randomly
murder instead of limiting their attacks to military targets.
> > Did it make sense for Arab leaders
> > to choose so risky a course after
> > the UN had handed them so much,
> > on a silver platter?
>
> LMAO!
> "You've got this, but were taking away a chunk of it and giving it to
> European Jews so that they won't immigrate to *our* lands, but you can
> keep what's left".
> Such an offer, already
We are indigenous to the Middle East, and we REACQUIRED our ANCESTRAL
HOMELAND by LEGAL IMMIGRATION and LEGAL LAND PURCHASE. The Zionists
did not "steal" anything from the Arabs, yet as early as 1883, the
Arabs were already waging a War of Genocide against these LEGAL
RESIDENTS who were INDIGENOUS to the land with a connection going back
at least 2500 years.
Your fundamental "assumptions" Gary are total fabrications based on
the view of Arabs Liars Who Believe Their Own Lies. You make me sick!
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