On Jul 13, 4:42=A0pm, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Shlomo wrote:
> > Israel is a nation ruled by the majority of its people. =A0And unlike
> > the U.S.A., Canada, and Australia, this majority is a group whose
> > ancestral links to the land go back at least 2500 years.
>
> That's strange. I always thought that the Hebrews originated in
Mesopotam=
ia.
That's the Biblical account.
What is history is that there was a Semitic migration to Canaan around
3000 or so years ago. Furthermore, our religion, in its current form,
developed during the time of the Second Commonwealth (i.e., the era of
the Second Temple). These people are my ancestors.
> =A0 =A0Furthermore,> even though you Dagos (I would use "Italians" if
you=
'd use Israel and
> > Zionists instead of "zionist entity")
>
> No deal Schmoo.
> I don't refer to Jews as "kikes" or "sheenies"; when you do this you're
> disparaging *all* Italians (which are not really that large a part of my
> ancestry, btw). I do refuse to use the term "isr-al=AE" because it is a
> brutal rogue state founded on terrorism. Personally, I think that the
> term is an abomination and I don't use it in polite or vulgar
conversatio=
n.
So what is your ancestry? You sure sound like an Arab Liar Who
Believes His Own Lies, so I was wondering why the Italian name.
>> =A0 expelled my ancestors after the Great Revolt and Bar Kochba Revolt,
>
> So you have Shepardic ancestry?
All of us Jews have a common ancestry. Clearly there was mixing with
the local population during the Exile.
> =A0 we never gave up our claim to the> land. =A0And when we did return,
i=
t was by LEGAL IMMIGRATION and LEGAL
> > LAND PURCHASE, and not conquest (unlike the U.S.A., Canada, and
> > Australia).
>
> Look again Stanley. Canada wasn't "conquered". The only "native war"
> fought there was the Riel Rebellion fought long after colonization with
> less than a thousand casualties on *both* sides.
Are you saying there was no native population north of the 49th
parallel prior to the arrival of the French, English, and Russians?
How did all that land come under the rule of those of European
ancestry?
> > Just stop believing the Arab Liars Who Believe Their Own Lies, Gary.
>
> The collective punishments, illegal de****tations, refusal of Right to
> Return of Refugees, extra-judicial murders, torture, and land theft are
> hardly "Arab lies", stanley.
> But you know this.
Let's see-
1. Collective Punishments really mean those people who live in an
area which is being used to wage war against another. What happens is
a consequence of war (like the British blockade of American ****ts in
1776 and 1812, the British and French blockades of each other from the
late 1700's to 1815, the Allied blockade of Germany from 1914-1919,
etc).
2. Illegal de****tations- just a consequence of waging war
3. Right of Return- an oxymoron. Israel has the right to control
immigration across and citizen****p within its borders. The Arab
flight was a consequence of a war their side chose to wage; there is
no second change.
4. Other stuff- Hebron 1929, Jaffa 1948, Etzion Bloc 1948, Jerusalem
1948, Middle East and North Africa 1948-1960. The War of Genocide
against the Yishuv (you can look it up) from c. 1883-present. Yup,
the Arabs are the experts in expulsions, de****tations, and land theft.
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