On Jul 16, 7:36=A0pm, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Shlomo wrote:
> > And how many times have the Arabs been offered their own nation in
> > Palestine?
>
> A *viable* *contiguous* state, where they controlled their borders and
> the water, without zionist "settlements"? I'd say precisely *none*.
> =A0 And how many times have they turned it down?
> Quite rightly, too. A Palestinian Arab has for more right to a state in
> Palestine than does an American Jew.
And he was given one in 1923; specifically, 78% of the Palestine
Mandate that became knows as Transjordan, and given another in 1947;
specifically, 45% of what was left of the Palestine Mandate. In other
words, they already have 78% of Palestine and were offered a total of
88%.
> >=A0 Maybe it's time for the Palestinian Arabs to accept that they
create=
d the morass
> > they're in and maybe it's time they try to build a NATION instead of a
> > terrorist base.
>
> But there is a "terrorist base" adjoining their future state. One that
> practices torture, illegal de****tations, collective punishment,
> extra-judicial murders, detention without charge and land theft.
Save your crap for idiots who believe Arab lies and Arab propaganda.
Everything you say has resulted from the War of Genocide that the
Arabs have been waging against the yishuv.
What you remind me of Gary is the parent who tries to defend his son
who was clearly the aggressor in a fight by making "excessive force"
complaints against the adult who broke it up, and trying to force the
discussion toward the actions of the adult instead of his son. You
are no different. You minimize or totally ignore the Arab aggression
and terrorism and instead focus on the Israeli response as being what
needs to be addressed. How about addressing the "root cause" for a
change; specifically, the War of Genocide that the Arabs have been
waging against the yishuv since 1883.
> > The number of illegal Jews in 1947 was a very small percentage of the
> > total Jewish population; furthermore, the British actions starting in
> > 1936 to limit Jewish immigration were themselves a violation of the
> > League of Nations Mandate,
>
> No, they were not. The British Mandate was in effect until 1948. In 1947
> they were quite within their mandate to restrict immigration.
You seem to ignore the little detail that one provision of the Mandate
was the establishment of a Jewish nation in Palestine, so yes Gary,
the British cutoff of Jewish immigration in 1939 was illegal under
International Law.
> > so it's very unclear how many that the British would say were illegal
w=
ere in fact so.
>
> Any that immigrated before the expiration of the British Mandate without
> legal authority to do so. Does this clear things up for you?
I think I cleared things up for you. In any event, my original
premise that all the original Zionists, and well over 90% of the
Jewish population of Palestine in 1947, were there by anybody's
definition of "legally".
> > Gary, let's stop beating around the bush. =A0Anything you say that
> > denies our ancestral tie and denies the legality of the return by
> > legal immigration is an Arab lie, started by a bunch of Arab Liars Who
> > Believe Their Own Lies, and goes against your very limited
> > credibility.
>
> You have problems with my credibility? Perhaps you should inquire as to
> whether I care.
Whether or not you care that you have no credibility is of no concern
to me. The fact that you have no credibility is what's im****tant to
subscribers of these newsgroups.
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