Note that Harold originally comes to the aid of notorious Aryan
Supremacist,
"Topaz." And then runs away from the discrediting of Leuchter.
To date, Burton has been unwilling to even respond to the facts.
"Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Harold Burton" <hal.i.burton@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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> news:hal.i.burton-172248.19103908052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> In article <48232482$0$9942$9a6e19ea@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> "Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> "Topaz" <mars1933@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:tiu524h7s78fbblr5ef89dtapisqjmonub@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > On Wed, 7 May 2008 21:09:06 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
>>> > <valinor20@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>Leuchter did not examine the walls of the gas chambers until fifty
>>> >>years
>>> >>after they had been used; his critics note that it would have been
>>> >>virtually
>>> >>impossible to discover any cyanide at all using his method.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Here is part of the Leuchter Re****t:
>>>
>>> Leuchter has been completely discredited, Herr Topaz.
>>
>>
>> Cite?
>
> Been there and done that, but since you ran from the last one:
>
> Here you go, Nazi.
>
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/blue/
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter
>
> Leuchter did not examine the walls of the gas chambers until fifty years
> after they had been used; his critics note that it would have been
> virtually
> impossible to discover any cyanide at all using his method. In fact,
tests
> conducted on ventilation grates immediately after the end of the war
> showed
> substantial amounts of cyanide. The chambers were demolished by the
Nazis
> when they abandoned Auschwitz, and the facilities Leuchter examined
were,
> in
> fact, partially reconstructed. Leuchter was unaware that part of the
camp
> and chambers were reconstructed, so he had no way of knowing if the
bricks
> he was scraping were actually part of the original gas chamber.
>
> Leuchter also asserted that the necessary ventilation systems and other
> pieces simply would not fit. Do***ents from the period show that the gas
> chambers in fact had powerful ventilators capable of clearing the gas
> chambers in minutes. When challenged in court, Leuchter said he was
> unaware
> of those do***ents.
>
> Many of Leuchter's conclusions are based on the assumption that it takes
> 20
> to 30 hours to air a room disinfected with Zyklon-B; since far lower
> concentrations are required when gassing people it actually takes 20 to
30
> minutes to air out the room and the forced ventilation systems used are
> more
> than adequate to allow the gas chambers to be operated without
endangering
> the executioners. When questioned in court, Leuchter admitted he had not
> seen a do***ent by the Waffen SS Commandant for construction issued when
> the
> gas chambers were constructed which estimated they had a 24 hour
capacity
> of
> 4756 people, more than 30 times Leuchter's estimate of 156.
>
> During the trial, Leuchter also made claims that it would be dangerous
to
> house the furnaces for cremating the victims in the same building in
which
> the gas chambers were located, because the "gas might explode" The gas
> only
> explodes at a minimal concentration of 56,000 PPM, about 200 times more
> than
> the lethal concentration.[1] Leuchter also testified that it was
> impossible
> to kill six million people at Auschwitz. Six million is the estimate
> commonly given for all Jews killed during the Holocaust, not the
estimated
> number of those killed at Auschwitz.
>
> Leuchter's opposition to the possibility of gas chambers rests on the
> relatively low concentration of cyanide residue measured in his sample
of
> the remains of the gas chambers in Auschwitz, compared to his sample of
> the
> "delousing chambers" in which clothes were deloused using the same gas,
> hydrogen cyanide. However, his re****t contains the assumption that lower
> concentrations are required for delousing than to kill humans and other
> warm
> blooded creatures; in fact, with their simpler structures and slower
> metabolisms, insects are more resistant to such gross metabolic poisons
> than
> mammals. Both toxicological study and practical experience demonstrate
> that
> it takes a much higher concentration of cyanide (16,000 parts per
million)
> to kill insects than to kill humans (300 PPM), as well as an exposure
time
> of many hours rather than only minutes. Leuchter also fails to explain
his
> belief that Zyklon-B was used for delousing, in view of his belief that
> the
> product would present technical difficulties in ventilating and
> decontaminating such as to make it impractical for use in a gas chamber.
>
> Leuchter claims he did not have any desire to disprove the Holocaust,
and
> only came to doubt its occurrence as a result of being convinced that
the
> structures he saw were not gas chambers. He claims he conducted the
> investigation and testified about it because he believed in freedom of
> speech and freedom of thought and felt that people should be allowed to
> publish their views, however misguided and that he believes every man
> deserves a fair trial (Zündel was facing 25 years in prison if he lost),
> and
> he was the only expert competent to provide the key testimony.
>
>
> [edit] Aftermath
> Protests were organized outside the court house in Canada, and near
> Leuchter's home in Malden, Massachusetts. However, despite the bad
> publicity
> Leuchter remained active until 1990, when his lack of qualifications to
> practice was exposed. In the late 1980s, following the Ernst Zündel
trial,
> he was featured in both the Atlantic Monthly and Prime Time Live in
items
> on
> capital punishment, neither of which mentioned his association with
> Zündel.
> Also following his involvement in the Zündel trial, Leuchter began
giving
> lectures to Holocaust denial groups such as the Institute for Historical
> Review (IHR) about his research and continued belief in the conclusions
to
> which he testified in the trial. A speech to the Eleventh IHR Conference
> in
> October, 1992, included the following remark:
>
> In this case, it is myself that I post mortem--and the cadaver isn't
> dead!
> Much to the dismay of my executioners, the execution was so badly
botched
> that I am able to stand here before you to speak the truth, and to tell
> the
> world that it is not myself, but the Holocaust story that is dead. I
> repeat
> for the record: I was condemned for maintaining that there were no
> execution
> gas chambers as Auschwitz, Birkenau, Majdanek, Dachau, Mauthausen, or
> Hartheim Castle. There's no proof for the charge, only innuendo, lies,
and
> half-truths. Robert Faurisson, Ernst Zundel and others said this first.
> They, too, live as victims of botched executions, but nevertheless free
to
> speak the truth in a strong and growing voice that repeats: No gas
> chambers,
> no gas chambers, no damn gas chambers!
> ...
> Because I was somewhat naive at the time, I was not aware that by so
> testifying I was offending the organized world Jewish community. By
> providing final, definitive proof that there were no execution gas
> chambers
> utilized for genocidal purposes by the Germans at these wartime camps, I
> established the simple fact that the Holocaust story is not true. What I
> did
> not know was that anyone expressing such beliefs is guilty of a capital
> crime: that of thinking and telling the unspeakable truth about the
> greatest
> lie of the age.
> I would have to pay for this crime. While I innocently told the truth
in
> Toronto, plans were made, and subsequently implemented, for a major
effort
> to destroy me. If I could be destroyed and discredited--so the reasoning
> went--no one would accept my professional findings, no matter how
> truthful.
> In October 1990, the state of Massachusetts brought criminal charges
> against
> Leuchter for representing himself as an engineer without a license.[1]
> Leuchter says he was a victim of selective prosecution, since only 10%
of
> engineers are actually licensed. Leuchter not only lacks an engineering
> license but has neither an engineering degree nor any other relevant
> professional certification or recognized credential - his education
> consists
> of a BA in history, which he completed in 1964. He admits to having no
> formal training in toxicology, biology or chemistry.[1]
>
> When he tried to sell parts of a lethal injection machine and other
> inventory from Fred Leuchter Associates, much of it items pending work
for
> various states who refused to pay him for previously contracted or
agreed
> work, he was again charged (Leuchter claims that the Massachusetts
> Attorney
> General had to explain that the sale of the offered equipment was not,
in
> fact, illegal); his wife divorced him in this same period.[1] The issues
> surrounding the equipment sale were covered in Boston area newspapers.
> Leuchter further claimed that states (he has named Delaware and its
Deputy
> Attorney General, Fred Silverman) refused to do business with him and
> reneged on existing agreements not because of his lack of qualification
> but
> because of his involvement in the Zündel trial.
>
> Now without a job or wife, he received an offer to come out to
California,
> but the company he went to work for ran out of money, leaving Leuchter
> stranded. David Irving, speaking several years before losing his libel
> lawsuit against Deborah Lipstadt and the ruin of his own reputation
before
> a
> British court, expressed surprise that Leuchter did not commit suicide
as
> a
> result of his destitution.[8] Irving has called Leuchter a "simpleton"
> even
> as he has said that Leuchter's re****t convinced him that the established
> history of the Holocaust is a lie (Lipstadt's counsel in the libel trial
> cited Irving's contem****aneous statements to this effect in his opening
> statement).
>
> Leuchter was arrested in and shortly thereafter de****ted from the United
> Kingdom in November 1991. He had been banned from entering the country
by
> the Home Office and his entry and presence in the country was therefore
> considered illegal. Leuchter claimed that United States consulate
> personnel
> effectively refused him aid. He had been interrupted while giving an
> invited
> speech at Irving's instigation; his talk followed immediately one by
> Robert
> Faurisson. The account of this incident was given in the same speech
from
> which the previous quoted block was taken.
>
>
>
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