Re: #Why Amtrak is dying when we need it the most

In article <l5ou64t2e1je1h7g6l6512nrp3rn3mci2m@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Steve <stevencanyon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:53:46 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> <mair_fheal@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >In article <3amu6450hqf894000qfs0ptme7ij9khtpc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Steve <stevencanyon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:15:06 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> >> <mair_fheal@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >In article <bjiu649u2t9326050vdpgf7c1u16hthori@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > Steve <stevencanyon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:39:11 -0500, "SlackJaw"
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> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >Steve wrote:
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> >> >> >> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:21:12 -0500, "SlackJaw" 
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> >> >> >> wrote:
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> >> >> >> > Steve wrote:
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> >> >> >> >> > And it needs to buy new rail cars soon. Its Amfleet cars,
the
> >> >> >> ones >> > recognizable to riders as the old Metroliners, are
more
> >> >> >> than 30 >> > years old. And the Acela trains, which have been
> >> >> >> operating about >> > eight years, have about a million miles on

> >> >> >> them.
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> ...and yet it's all they need.. why should they have more.. 
> >> >> >> >> nobody
> >> >> >> >> rides the damned things anyway. 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > I would, if they were cheap, convenient, and clean like
Europe's
> >> >> >> > rail system.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> But they're not..  and they're not very fast either...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And more expensive than a plane ticket. But it is run by the
> >> >> >government, what do you expect?
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> I expect it to be wasteful and useless....
> >> >
> >> >if the free market could provide the service you wouldnt need the 
> >> >government 
> >> >to
> >> 
> >> A free market would be only to happy to provide a service that paid
> >> for itself....
> >
> >necessary services dont always pay for themselves
> >like libraries police streets fire city parks
> 
> YOU claiming something is necessary doesn't make it so....  Whatever
> parts of your list that are truly necessary would, indeed, pay for
> themselves....

be specific
list anything you think is necessary service and show to make it pay for
itself
and what you dont list one can assume you claim is not necessary


> >> >speaking of free market how do you feel about five dollar a gallon 
> >> >gasoline?
> >> >going to demand congress intervene?
> >> 
> >> I've already sent letters in an attempt to get more oil production
and
> >> more nuclear power plants started here in the USA.
> >
> >there would be no nuclear power plants
> >if not for congress intervening with price-anderson
> 
> That's simply not true....

how do nuclear power plants get insurance on the free market without it?
do you think anyone would run a nuclear plant without insurance?

> >as for public lands
> >its up to the owners to decide how to use the land
> >that is the free market
> >
> >
> >your problem is the free market is working as it should be
> >and you dont like it
> 
> Actually, the free market, when allowed to work, makes me quite happy.

yes of course
and all of the failures to date
have been because the market hasnt been free enough

odd that
when large parts of society are facing death and ruin
they just dont seem interested in running some grand experiment
that what isnt working yet when only work
if they are just willing to risk even more death and greater ruin

i guess people just dont like faith based economics

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limp and spineless lint for brains is  better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
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