Re: Does Barack Hussein Obama stand for anything? Now he will

Donna Evleth wrote:
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> > From: "Bill Bonde { ''Direct And On Point'')"
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> > Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we
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> > those who  come after us.
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> > Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:43:19 +0100
> > Subject: Re: Does Barack Hussein Obama stand for anything? Now he will
> > "rethink"Iraq troop pullout position
> >
> >
> >
> > John Rennie wrote:
> >>
> >> "Bill Bonde { ''Direct And On Point'')"
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> wrote
> >> in message news:486FA6EC.DBE3F26E@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John Rennie wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Bill Bonde { ''Direct And On Point'')"
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> >>>> wrote
> >>>> in message news:486E847C.4C0C71AD@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> abelard wrote:
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> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:21:20 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'Donovan"
> >>>>>>> <Xentinc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Does this guy stand for ANYTHING?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> of course he stands for something....
> >>>>>>> getting as many brainless idiots as possible to vote for him
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And here Bush only needed five votes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> It should be noted that Bush won the election in Florida at each
> >>>>> break point and at each recount. He also got more electoral
college
> >>>>> votes than Gore. So the SC was just going with the will of the
> >>>>> people.
> >>>>
> >>>> Confirm you mean the will of the Florida voters and not the will of
the
> >>>> American people.    You will remember that Gore gathered half a
million
> >>>> more
> >>>> votes than Bush nationally in 2000.
> >>>>
> >>> I don't know that since there is no national vote for president.
> >>
> >> I know that, Bill.   However, more Americans voted for Gore than
voted for
> >> Bush in 2000 so 'the will of the people' was for Gore.
> >>
> > You can't know that more Americans voted for Gore because there's
> > no national vote. I just said that, you agreed.
> >
> >
> >> The last time the
> >> popular vote did not elect a President was in 1888.    AFAIAC it was
the
> >> fault of the third candidate, Nader, who secured 90,000 votes in
Florida
> >> that let the worst candidate ever to be elected President.
> >>
> > Bush's brother was governor of Florida. Florida is a Republican
> > state. Bush easily won Florida in 2004. Bush is also a very good if
> > not great president.
> 
> Please give us some concrete examples of Bush's "goodness" and
"greatness".
> All I see is a failed war,
>
Really? So as the effort in Iraq succeeds, you'll have to revise
your views, right?



> a flagging economy, 
>
It's called the business cycle.



> a monstrous national debt,
>
A new problem, nope.



> and a loss of prestige and respect abroad. 
>
I think that's completely wrong. Under Clinton, the US was a paper
tiger. Under Bush, countries could expect the possiblity that Bush
would use force. That increases respect.



> I believe that Bush is arguably
> the worst president the United States has ever had. 
>
I think he's one of the best.


> What evidence do you
> have to make me believe otherwise? 
>
About the last eight years.



> BTW, I am not alone in my belief.  And
> there are conservatives who join me in this opinion.  Including some who
> post on this group.
> 
What group is this?



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