Re: The Times of London on victory in Iraq

<Perhaps you are too young to remember all the re****ts
 of "progress" in Vietnam and some district was "cleared"
 of VC and how the side was "close to collapse". Given that
 the Bush administration has admitted planting optimistic
 stories in the press what are we supposed to believe?

Mitchell Holman>


LOL. I was born in 1932. Therefore I am not "too young" to remember
that
the Viet Cong were in fact eliminated in the Tet offensive of 1968.

www.wikipedia.org tet offensive

Media lost the war viewpoint

"The Tet Offensive is considered a military defeat for the Communist
forces by some. Cited in sup****t of this view is the fact the
Offensive did not create an uprising in South Vietnam and the
operational cost of the offensive was dangerously high, with the Viet
Cong essentially crippled by the huge losses inflicted by South
Vietnamese and other Allied forces. The Offensive is widely
considered
a turning point of the war in Vietnam, with the NLF and NVA winning
an
enormous psychological and propaganda victory. The Viet Cong's
operational forces were effectively crippled by the Offensive. Many
Viet Cong who had been operating under cover in the cities of South
Vietnam revealed themselves during the Offensive and were killed or
captured. The organization was preserved for propaganda purposes, but
in practical terms the Viet Cong were finished. Formations that were
referred to as Viet Cong were in fact largely filled with North
Vietnamese replacements".





On Jul 6, 5:08 pm, Mitchell Holman <Noem...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "PJ O'Donovan" <Xent...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:80c7d846-4e51-4527-b9ed-
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> > <<American and Iraqi forces are driving Al-Qaeda in Iraq out of its
> >  last redoubt in the north of the country in the culmination of one of
> >  the most spectacular victories of the war on terror. After being
> >  forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the
> > past
> >  two years, Al-Qaeda's dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant
> >  "last stand" in the northern city of Mosul...".
>
> > PJ>>
>
> >  <Oh goody
>
> >      Progress in Iraq!
>
> >      Oh, wait - haven't we heard that before?
>
> >  Bush Sees Iraq Progress....
>
> > Mitchell Holman>
>
> > Don't believe Bush? Do a google search on the news of progress in Iraq
> > and get over 12000 hits from other independent news sources.
>
>     Perhaps you are too young to remember all the re****ts
> of "progress" in Vietnam and some district was "cleared"
> of VC and how the side was "close to collapse". Given that
> the Bush administration has admitted planting optimistic
> stories in the press what are we supposed to believe?