Re: The Times of London on victory in Iraq

"PJ O'Donovan" <Xentinc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:9b505ee8-794c-4862-ba77-
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>  <Perhaps you are too young to remember all the re****ts
>  of "progress" in Vietnam and some district was "cleared"
>  of VC and how the side was "close to collapse". Given that
>  the Bush administration has admitted planting optimistic
>  stories in the press what are we supposed to believe?
> 
> Mitchell Holman>
> 
> 
> LOL. I was born in 1932. Therefore I am not "too young" to remember
> that
> the Viet Cong were in fact eliminated in the Tet offensive of 1968.
> 
> www.wikipedia.org tet offensive
> 
> Media lost the war viewpoint
> 
> "The Tet Offensive is considered a military defeat for the Communist
> forces by some. Cited in sup****t of this view is the fact the
> Offensive did not create an uprising in South Vietnam and the
> operational cost of the offensive was dangerously high, with the Viet
> Cong essentially crippled by the huge losses inflicted by South
> Vietnamese and other Allied forces. The Offensive is widely
> considered
> a turning point of the war in Vietnam, with the NLF and NVA winning
> an
> enormous psychological and propaganda victory. The Viet Cong's
> operational forces were effectively crippled by the Offensive. Many
> Viet Cong who had been operating under cover in the cities of South
> Vietnam revealed themselves during the Offensive and were killed or
> captured. The organization was preserved for propaganda purposes, but
> in practical terms the Viet Cong were finished. Formations that were
> referred to as Viet Cong were in fact largely filled with North
> Vietnamese replacements".
> 


    Let's see: The Sec of Defense McNamara knew the 
war was unwillable, LBJ knew the war was unwinnable,
Nixon ran as the "peace" candidate because even he
knew the war was unwinnable, but US was actually
winning the war?

    Come again?

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> On Jul 6, 5:08 pm, Mitchell Holman <Noem...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "PJ O'Donovan" <Xent...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:80c7d846-4e51-4527-b9ed-
>> 3f763d06f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > <<American and Iraqi forces are driving Al-Qaeda in Iraq out of its
>> >  last redoubt in the north of the country in the culmination of one
of
>> >  the most spectacular victories of the war on terror. After being
>> >  forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the
>> > past
>> >  two years, Al-Qaeda's dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant
>> >  "last stand" in the northern city of Mosul...".
>>
>> > PJ>>
>>
>> >  <Oh goody
>>
>> >      Progress in Iraq!
>>
>> >      Oh, wait - haven't we heard that before?
>>
>> >  Bush Sees Iraq Progress....
>>
>> > Mitchell Holman>
>>
>> > Don't believe Bush? Do a google search on the news of progress in
Iraq
>> > and get over 12000 hits from other independent news sources.
>>
>>     Perhaps you are too young to remember all the re****ts
>> of "progress" in Vietnam and some district was "cleared"
>> of VC and how the side was "close to collapse". Given that
>> the Bush administration has admitted planting optimistic
>> stories in the press what are we supposed to believe?
> 
>