vkarlamov@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> On May 3, 9:27 am, "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote:
>
>> Very good, even if not satire. :)
>>
>> vkarla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>> On Apr 29, 4:30 am, "Your Uncle Larry" <Lar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> Actually didn't Russia just become the world's number 1 arms
ex****ter?
>>>
>>> Not according to you. You have been bragging for years that Russian
>>> arms ex****ts are useless and worthless; and India and all other
>>> Russian customers are switching to US-made weapons.
>>> But in reality, yes, Russian ars ex****ts are soaring, because Russian
>>> arms, just like Russian space ****ps, are much more relaible and less
>>> expensive than American ex****ts.
>>
>> One undiscussed yet very basic problem is that weapons reliability
>> can only be determined from their use. So bragging about reliability
>> means bragging about the results of their use. And the use of weapons
>> is to kill, maim, destroy.
>>
>
> Well, if your point is that modern American bomber planes, misiles,
> and guns have been extensively tested and proved reliable in the
> killing, maiming, and destroying of Yugoslavs, Panmanians, Haitians,
> Afghanis, and Iraqis (twice) - OK.
No. ;-) My point is that you are choosing to _bragg_ about the Russian
weapons reliability.
> Indeed, USA managed to conquer
> all these countries, suffering probably 1000 times fewer casualties
> than did their victim countries.
>
> On the other hand, if we speak of space crafts, Russian crafts dont't
> kill, maim, destroy. The American crafts do kill, maim, destroy.
> Sadly, they do that to their own astronaut passengers...
<sarcasm>
Oh, intentionally of course. :) It's a part of the design. :)
</sarcasm>
> That's why
> Russian space craft are much more reliable than American ones.
>
> But you are wrong to think that the only way to test the reliability
> of a weapon is through actual "killing, maiming, and destroying".
>
> How can I explain to you so that you would understand....I guess I
> will pretend that I am talking to my 6-year-old daughter...
> ..........................
>
> Similarly, the reliability of aircraft can be judged through peaceful
> flights. In fact, hundreds of thousands of pilots around the World
> ac***ulate millions of flight hours per day:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_pilots
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_training
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_force
That's reliability of the vehicle (aircraft) not the weapons system.
But it does bring to mind the 'reliability' of the Indian Mig series
of aircraft.
>>>
>>> But Russia is not selling its arms to children or to college students,
>>> like US manufacturers, whose guns are then used to commit mass murders
>>> like Columbine or Virginia Tech.
>>
>> How about all those child soldiers armed with Kalashnikovs and machetes
>> in Africa? :) <-- cynical & sarcastic, not funny smiley
>>
>
> I am not sure what you want from Russians. Russians don't sell their
> guns to civilians. Like in all other European countries, civilains are
> forbidden from using guns.
>
So then all those bodies recovered when the snows melt around moscow,
'pidsnizhky (?)' can not have been caused by civilians. :)
>
> In USA, the gun lobby has made sure that any kook can own a gun and
> commit mass murder the way they did in Columbine and Virginia Tech.
>
> As far as sales to Africa and other theird other countries are
> concerned, these sales are made to governments, not children. What the
> governments do with these weapons, is their responsibility, not that
> of the manufacturer.
A fine distinction of course. :)
BTW, US manufacturers ex****t more arms than
> Russian ones, including machine and other guns.
>
> //////////////////////////////
> http://www.fas.org/asmp/fast_facts.htm
>
> Federation of American Scientists
>
> Fast Facts
>
> .................................
>
> Nevertheless, the United States has a consistent record of giving
> military aid and weapons to governments that engage in serious human
> rights abuses, including Uzbekistan, Colombia, and Turkey.
> .......................................
> ///////////////////////////////
Well true to some extent. The U.S. arms Israel, and Saudi Arabia (?),
while Russia arms India, Venezuela, Azerbajzhan (?), Syria (?), N.
Korea(?),
Iran(?), and formerly Iraq.
>
>>> Moreover, Russia ***ex****ts*** its weapons. Thus, it doesn't arm
>>> itself to the teeth. In fact, Russia spends 25 times less money on its
>>> military (defence) than USA spends on its military (offence and
>>> aggression). Last year, USA spent more on the military than the rest
>>> of the Wiorld combined, and in the next couple of years, it is likely
>>> to spend twice as much as the rest of the World, as Gates has asked
>>> the Congress to enlarge US army and marines spending in order to fight
>>> conventional wars against "Russia, China, North Korea and Iran."
>> Hmmm. So you consider it a good to _***ex****t***_ the means of waging
>> wars and killing?
>>
>
> Actually, I do sup****t the ex****t of defence weapons to rsponsible
> governments. But if you don't - then you should give up your job, move
> to Wa****ngton, DC and stage demostrations, carry signs "Stop the
> Slaughters in Iraq!", go on hunger strikes and flag burnings in front
> of the US Capitol, demanding that the Congressmen stop taking money
> from the US weapons manufacturers and forbid the ex****t of Ameircan
> guns and weapons to other countries.
>
> Or do you enjoy a double standard: you disapprove of the sales of
> Russian-made "means of waging wars and killing", but are in favor of
> the sale of US--made "means of waging wars and killing"? A typical
> American stance.
>
Perhaps you as a United Statesian (I am assuming that you are one)
know about that. :-D
>
>>> But Russia spends less money on defence than even Britain or the
>>> peace-loving France.
>>> By ex****ting its arms to Latin America and India, Russia doesn't
>>> threaten the World, while US spends its own money on arming itself
>>> in order to be able to invade and occupy many countries at the same
>>> time.
>>> Finally, by ex****ting its arms, Russia gains wealth, while USA wastes
>>> about $1 trillion of hard-earned taxpayer money a year on its own
>>> warmongwering, making the Americans poor, making USA the debtor at the
>>> mercy of China, and leading the US economy to a total collapse very
>>> soon.
>>>
>> Ahh yes, Praises of Russia for profiteering from weapons sales. :)
>>
>
> The term is "profiting" not "profiteering".
>
Enlighten me Oh Guru :)
google di google di goo. :)
>
> If you think that the manufacture and sale of arms is wrong, then stop
> taking cheap shots at a country on the opposite side of the Globe from
> you Russia - and instead protest the US "profiteering" from arms sales
> and manufacture, both by selling them to foreign cluntries and by
> robbing US taxpayers to the tune of close to $1 trillion per year on
> the projects of manufacturing weapons of ""killing, maiming, and
> destroying" and then using them against populations of foreign
> countries.
> ............
>
-- Rostyk
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