On Apr 21, 9:42=A0am, John Graeme <jdgra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 21, 12:53 am, Tom <thomaskolter_k...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > I would like to start a fundamental issue discussion on this question:
> > Is there a point where we no longer have a moral duty to the Federal
> > and to a lesser extent the State governments as a citizen of the
> > United States?
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> > I will place as my point of this end of duty a simple one. Its no
> > longer a viable and legal government when the Federal authority
> > violates the core authority limits in the Constitution and is
> > therefore acting against the limits of the highest law of the land. I
> > would place it here because no authority can be above the highest laws
> > of the land, no president and no member of the Congress can violate
> > that and no judge do so not without losing their credibility.
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> > In my estimation the current government under this standard is no
> > longer meeting the moral and legal authority to demand I be loyal to
> > the Federal Government and is a de facto illegal government. Just the
> > fact it ignores limits afforded to it and it has far exceeded the
> > powers confined to the Constitution proves that enough such as the
> > illegal and long term standing Army as just one example and the
> > destruction of States Rights at fundamental levels. I for one feel
> > more loyalty to my State and local governments over the Federal one
> > and that is sad for me personally to love my country but not the
> > government that leads it but for me they have gone to far to give them
> > my allegiance.
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> Why do we ever have a moral duty to obey the government? =A0What right
> does the government have to claim authority over a territory in the
> first place? =A0The U.S. government, and most state governments, seized
> their territory by force and by killing off the native inhabitants.
> If some foreign power did that to the U.S. now, would that make them
> the legitimate moral authority in the land?
It would for those people who choose to pledge their allegiance. I
think the world gets confused about the differences between morality,
law and governments. Governments are not created for the purpose of
upholding morality - that is up to you.
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> I obey those laws that reflect my moral standards (e.g., laws against
> robbery, murder, rape, fraud) or some other laws as a practical matter
> (I'll be fined or imprisoned if I don't). =A0But I don't recognize any
> government's moral authority over me.- Hide quoted text -
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And, I think that you've got it about right. Your obligation to obey
the law does not extend beyond your own morality. However, if you
break the law, you may be prosecuted.
-solon fox
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