On Apr 29, 9:54=A0am, "OD" <Ya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 29, 6:02 am, "OD" <Ya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> CharlesLiu wrote:
> >>> On Apr 28, 7:25 pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:37:37 -0700 (PDT), bmo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>> On Apr 28, 3:30?pm, "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Apr 28, 1:31?am, Lproud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>> On Apr 27, 7:03?pm, CharlesLiu <chliu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>> It happened agin. First it was petite children's TV show host
> >>>>>>>> Konnie Huq ?in London, then it's crippled paralympian Jin Jin -
> >>>>>>>> now a 17 year old Japanese table tennis olympian Ai Fukuhara,
> >>>>>>>> who trains in China and has been a good will ambassador for
> >>>>>>>> Japan and China, was jumpped by a Tibetan from Taiwan:
>
> >>>>>>>>http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/thread-38991-1-1.html
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> >>>>>>>> Why don't you people pick on someone yor own size, instead of
> >>>>>>>> going after little girls? One legged little girles too?
>
> >>>>>>>> Man, you people must fee real brave.
>
> >>>>>>> What do you expect from the spokeman of Voice of Tibet.
> >>>>>>> Attacking handicap girl in wheel chair is FANTASTIC.
>
> >>>>>>>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dd9Amlz2Jvro
>
> >>>>>> A lot of these Tibetan exiles are misguided. Many of these folks
> >>>>>> have never been in Tibet. The Tibet on their mind is the real
> >>>>>> Tibet. Yet they think they are better than the millions of real
> >>>>>> Tibetans in Tibet. Their means is also odd.
>
> >>>>>> Recently, I begin to think they are not responding to the needs
> >>>>>> of the real Tibetans. These exiles are a frustrated bunch. And
> >>>>>> they are responding to what have bappened in the west. ?Since
> >>>>>> China ba****ng is becoming fahsionable, they just want to be at
> >>>>>> the center of this China and Chinese ba****ng party. Hence they
> >>>>>> will do all sorts of strange things to attract attention.
> >>>>>> Luckily, they can also get some money from westrn countries.
>
> >>>>>> What the spokeman of Vocie of Tibet siad is revealing. His
> >>>>>> calculation is not about Tibet. His primarily concern is about
> >>>>>> international publicity. However, the Tibet problem is a Chinese
> >>>>>> problem. The solution may go through the Chinese poeple. However,
> >>>>>> these exiles's protest and Chinese ba****ng are carried out to
> >>>>>> enrage the Chinese poeple ?and make their goal further and
> >>>>>> further away. A new development in China is that some now said
> >>>>>> it openly "Anyone who negotiates with the DL clique is a
> >>>>>> traitor."
>
> >>>>> It seems that even the poor one-legged fencer is now being
> >>>>> branded a traitor by many Chinese. Funny how people on this NG
> >>>>> talk a lot about how mean a few people in France were to her but
> >>>>> keep quiet about what Chinese are doing to her. You guys sure
> >>>>> have a lot of double standards...
>
> >>>>> "Someone goes to France once and thinks
> >>>>> she's French. Jin Jing speaks with the voice of an utterly
> >>>>> brainless evil-eyed wolf traitor."
>
> >>>> Nothing but the disinformation service of your western propaganda
>
> >>> You bet. There was a minority voice critical to Jin Jin, but the
> >>> majority voice of reason in China blogsphere has came out in sup****t
> >>> of her.
>
> >>> Of course China hater like BO would rather ignore that:
>
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>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=3D%E9%87%91%E6%99%B6+%E6%B1%89%E5%A5%B8
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> >>> =93Jin Jin does not sup****t Carfore boycott=94
> >>> =93If Jin Jin can be labeled HJ, who can=92t?=94
> >>> =93Why call Jin Jin HJ?=94
> >>> =93Nationalist =93Boxers=94 call Jin Jin HJ=94
> >>> =93Shocked to see Jin Jin labeled HJ=94
> >>> =93Jin Jin=92s one sentence turning her into HJ, sending chill up
> >>> readers spine=94
> >>> =93Calling Jin Jing HJ is the first sign of the world gone wrong.=94
> >>> =93Jin Jin from hero to zero(HJ) - a Chinese farce=94
> >>> =93defaming [Jin Jin] is not patriotism=94
> >>> =93Jin Jin from hero to zero - patriotism has lost its wit=94
>
> >>> This proves China haters like to twist the facts to suit their anti-
> >>> Chinese agenda. When they attack the ordinary Chinese netters as
> >>> irrational, rabid - it is no longer about the Chinese government is
> >>> it?
>
> >> What's the agenda of those that claim pro-Tibetans are cowards who
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> > You are comparing apples and oranges.
> > "Free Tibet" is a movement sup****ted by CIA/NED an dother quasi
> > government agencies money. The Tibetan exiles' activities are goal
> > directed. Concerning the attack, =A0another netter had point out, the
> > spoken persion stating in public that such attack the defenseless girl
> > was good. That is, good for publicity. Hence, the attack was a mean to
> > an end subordinated to thier pay masters' wish.
>
> > The bigger issue, attacking the girl as well as the overall effort to
> > disrupt the Olympic torch relay or the Olympic games do not in anyway
> > benefit the Tibetans in Tibet. China will not give up their legitimate
> > claim on Tibet simply because of theartics peformed by a small number
> > of people.
>
> How can you even say apples and oranges when you completely fail to
grasp
> what is being compared. =A0It's the posters bmoore and CharlesLiu and
thei=
r
> agendas. =A0If CharlesLiu thinks bmoore has an agenda of demonizing
Chines=
e
> then by the same standard he is obviously guilty of demonizing Tibetans.
Again, Lui and BM are not comparable because the evidence they used
are of different. In one case, the attack of the defenseless girl is
lauded by the Vocie of Tibet spokeperson as something good because
such attack promote international publicity. Implaction: The attack is
part of the plan and/or the attack conform to their overall goal to
gain publicity. There is no comparable spokeperson and comparable plan
for the verbal attack on the same girl by netter who may or may not be
Chinese or pro-China.
> Something you seem to also be willing to take part on, even when you
claim=
> others are doing it to the Chinese.
China ba****ng or anything ba****ng is a matter of whether the criticism
is from a position of fact and logic. Let me lay out my case against
the "free tibet" sup****ters.
1. According to what I know, most of the "free tibet" sup****ters
including the exiles themselves have never set foot in Tibet. Logical
inference: Their conception of Tibet is quite different from the real
Tibet. The above conclusion is also the view of Orville Schell, the
author of "VIRTUAL TIBET," according to his expereince iwth the
exiles.
2. Since the sup****ters' protests were not grounded on what have
happened in the real Tibet, their activities have to be triggered by
something outside of Tibet rather than from events inside of Tibet. In
this case, protests and publicty stunts were planned and carried from
outside of Tibet. There has been no evidence of peaceful ****test
inside of Tibet. The western media had to falsify information to
rectify the lack of evidence. They used the video footage in which
Nepalese policemen were beating Tibetan protestors as evidence to
prove that peaceful protests had occured in Tibet and they were
suppressed.
3. It is obvious that the sup****ters' publicity stunts go nowhere, as
expected, except enraging many Chinese people inside and outside of
China. The results beg the question: "Why the publicity stunts which
could not furtehr their avowed goal?" Two answers: First, as
suggested by the beginning post of this thread, the 'free tibet'
sup****ters are cowards, they dare not do anythings besides stunts like
attacking little girl. Second, they need to stunsts and the associated
publicity to continue receive funding.
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