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> On Apr 29, 9:54 am, "OD" <Ya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Apr 29, 6:02 am, "OD" <Ya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> CharlesLiu wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 28, 7:25 pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:37:37 -0700 (PDT), bmo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 3:30?pm, "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 1:31?am, Lproud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 7:03?pm, CharlesLiu <chliu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> It happened agin. First it was petite children's TV show host
>>>>>>>>>> Konnie Huq ?in London, then it's crippled paralympian Jin
>>>>>>>>>> Jin - now a 17 year old Japanese table tennis olympian Ai
>>>>>>>>>> Fukuhara, who trains in China and has been a good will
>>>>>>>>>> ambassador for Japan and China, was jumpped by a Tibetan
>>>>>>>>>> from Taiwan:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/thread-38991-1-1.html
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>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you people pick on someone yor own size, instead of
>>>>>>>>>> going after little girls? One legged little girles too?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Man, you people must fee real brave.
>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you expect from the spokeman of Voice of Tibet.
>>>>>>>>> Attacking handicap girl in wheel chair is FANTASTIC.
>>
>>>>>>>>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Amlz2Jvro
>>
>>>>>>>> A lot of these Tibetan exiles are misguided. Many of these
>>>>>>>> folks have never been in Tibet. The Tibet on their mind is the
>>>>>>>> real Tibet. Yet they think they are better than the millions
>>>>>>>> of real Tibetans in Tibet. Their means is also odd.
>>
>>>>>>>> Recently, I begin to think they are not responding to the needs
>>>>>>>> of the real Tibetans. These exiles are a frustrated bunch. And
>>>>>>>> they are responding to what have bappened in the west. ?Since
>>>>>>>> China ba****ng is becoming fahsionable, they just want to be at
>>>>>>>> the center of this China and Chinese ba****ng party. Hence they
>>>>>>>> will do all sorts of strange things to attract attention.
>>>>>>>> Luckily, they can also get some money from westrn countries.
>>
>>>>>>>> What the spokeman of Vocie of Tibet siad is revealing. His
>>>>>>>> calculation is not about Tibet. His primarily concern is about
>>>>>>>> international publicity. However, the Tibet problem is a
>>>>>>>> Chinese problem. The solution may go through the Chinese
>>>>>>>> poeple. However, these exiles's protest and Chinese ba****ng
>>>>>>>> are carried out to enrage the Chinese poeple ?and make their
>>>>>>>> goal further and further away. A new development in China is
>>>>>>>> that some now said it openly "Anyone who negotiates with the
>>>>>>>> DL clique is a traitor."
>>
>>>>>>> It seems that even the poor one-legged fencer is now being
>>>>>>> branded a traitor by many Chinese. Funny how people on this NG
>>>>>>> talk a lot about how mean a few people in France were to her but
>>>>>>> keep quiet about what Chinese are doing to her. You guys sure
>>>>>>> have a lot of double standards...
>>
>>>>>>> "Someone goes to France once and thinks
>>>>>>> she's French. Jin Jing speaks with the voice of an utterly
>>>>>>> brainless evil-eyed wolf traitor."
>>
>>>>>> Nothing but the disinformation service of your western propaganda
>>
>>>>> You bet. There was a minority voice critical to Jin Jin, but the
>>>>> majority voice of reason in China blogsphere has came out in
>>>>> sup****t of her.
>>
>>>>> Of course China hater like BO would rather ignore that:
>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%E9%87%91%E6%99%B6+%E6%B1%89%E5%A5%B8
>>
>>>>> “Jin Jin does not sup****t Carfore boycott”
>>>>> “If Jin Jin can be labeled HJ, who can’t?”
>>>>> “Why call Jin Jin HJ?”
>>>>> “Nationalist “Boxers” call Jin Jin HJ”
>>>>> “Shocked to see Jin Jin labeled HJ”
>>>>> “Jin Jin’s one sentence turning her into HJ, sending chill up
>>>>> readers spine”
>>>>> “Calling Jin Jing HJ is the first sign of the world gone wrong.”
>>>>> “Jin Jin from hero to zero(HJ) - a Chinese farce”
>>>>> “defaming [Jin Jin] is not patriotism”
>>>>> “Jin Jin from hero to zero - patriotism has lost its wit”
>>
>>>>> This proves China haters like to twist the facts to suit their
>>>>> anti- Chinese agenda. When they attack the ordinary Chinese
>>>>> netters as irrational, rabid - it is no longer about the Chinese
>>>>> government is it?
>>
>>>> What's the agenda of those that claim pro-Tibetans are cowards who
>>>> only attack little girls?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> You are comparing apples and oranges.
>>> "Free Tibet" is a movement sup****ted by CIA/NED an dother quasi
>>> government agencies money. The Tibetan exiles' activities are goal
>>> directed. Concerning the attack, another netter had point out, the
>>> spoken persion stating in public that such attack the defenseless
>>> girl was good. That is, good for publicity. Hence, the attack was a
>>> mean to an end subordinated to thier pay masters' wish.
>>
>>> The bigger issue, attacking the girl as well as the overall effort
>>> to disrupt the Olympic torch relay or the Olympic games do not in
>>> anyway benefit the Tibetans in Tibet. China will not give up their
>>> legitimate claim on Tibet simply because of theartics peformed by a
>>> small number of people.
>>
>> How can you even say apples and oranges when you completely fail to
>> grasp what is being compared. It's the posters bmoore and CharlesLiu
>> and their agendas. If CharlesLiu thinks bmoore has an agenda of
>> demonizing Chinese then by the same standard he is obviously guilty
>> of demonizing Tibetans.
>
> Again, Lui and BM are not comparable because the evidence they used
> are of different. In one case, the attack of the defenseless girl is
> lauded by the Vocie of Tibet spokeperson as something good because
> such attack promote international publicity. Implaction: The attack is
> part of the plan and/or the attack conform to their overall goal to
> gain publicity. There is no comparable spokeperson and comparable plan
> for the verbal attack on the same girl by netter who may or may not be
> Chinese or pro-China.
If you are not going to address the obvious attempt at demonization of
Tibetans by Charlesliu with the words, "Pro-Tibet cowards only attack
little
girls" then there is nothing further to discuss.
>> Something you seem to also be willing to take part on, even when you
>> claim others are doing it to the Chinese.
>
> China ba****ng or anything ba****ng is a matter of whether the criticism
> is from a position of fact and logic. Let me lay out my case against
> the "free tibet" sup****ters.
People can use "facts" and "logic" to demonize others. You know it, since
you try to do it all the time.
> 1. According to what I know, most of the "free tibet" sup****ters
> including the exiles themselves have never set foot in Tibet. Logical
> inference: Their conception of Tibet is quite different from the real
> Tibet. The above conclusion is also the view of Orville Schell, the
> author of "VIRTUAL TIBET," according to his expereince iwth the
> exiles.
>
> 2. Since the sup****ters' protests were not grounded on what have
> happened in the real Tibet, their activities have to be triggered by
> something outside of Tibet rather than from events inside of Tibet. In
> this case, protests and publicty stunts were planned and carried from
> outside of Tibet. There has been no evidence of peaceful ****test
> inside of Tibet. The western media had to falsify information to
> rectify the lack of evidence. They used the video footage in which
> Nepalese policemen were beating Tibetan protestors as evidence to
> prove that peaceful protests had occured in Tibet and they were
> suppressed.
A quote was recently published here of SAC from a Canadian tourist that
said
days of peaceful demonstrations took place before the rioting. You can
find
it in the "let them have a national referendum" thread.
> 3. It is obvious that the sup****ters' publicity stunts go nowhere, as
> expected, except enraging many Chinese people inside and outside of
> China. The results beg the question: "Why the publicity stunts which
> could not furtehr their avowed goal?" Two answers: First, as
> suggested by the beginning post of this thread, the 'free tibet'
> sup****ters are cowards, they dare not do anythings besides stunts like
> attacking little girl. Second, they need to stunsts and the associated
> publicity to continue receive funding.
In other words, all pro-Tibetans are greedy. Another attempt at
demonization.
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