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> > On Apr 29, 11:48 pm, "OD" <Ya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> On Apr 29, 12:29 pm, "OD" <Ya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>> On Apr 29, 11:36 am, "OD" <Ya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>> On Apr 29, 9:54 am, "OD" <Ya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 6:02 am, "OD" <Ya...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>>>>> CharlesLiu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 7:25 pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:37:37 -0700 (PDT), bmo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 1:31?am, Lproud...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 7:03?pm, CharlesLiu <chliu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It happened agin. First it was petite children's TV
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show host Konnie Huq ?in London, then it's crippled
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paralympian Jin Jin - now a 17 year old Japanese table
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tennis olympian Ai Fukuhara, who trains in China and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been a good will ambassador for Japan and China,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was jumpped by a Tibetan from Taiwan:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/thread-38991-1-1.html
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you people pick on someone yor own size,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of going after little girls? One legged little
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girles too?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man, you people must fee real brave.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you expect from the spokeman of Voice of Tibet.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attacking handicap girl in wheel chair is FANTASTIC.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dd9Amlz2Jvro
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of these Tibetan exiles are misguided. Many of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these folks have never been in Tibet. The Tibet on their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind is the real Tibet. Yet they think they are better
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the millions of real Tibetans in Tibet. Their means
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is also odd.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently, I begin to think they are not responding to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs of the real Tibetans. These exiles are a frustrated
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch. And they are responding to what have bappened in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the west. ?Since China ba****ng is becoming fahsionable,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they just want to be at the center of this China and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese ba****ng party. Hence they will do all sorts of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange things to attract attention. Luckily, they can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also get some money from westrn countries.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What the spokeman of Vocie of Tibet siad is revealing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> His calculation is not about Tibet. His primarily
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern is about international publicity. However, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tibet problem is a Chinese problem. The solution may go
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the Chinese poeple. However, these exiles's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> protest and Chinese ba****ng are carried out to enrage
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Chinese poeple ?and make their goal further and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> further away. A new development in China is that some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now said it openly "Anyone who negotiates with the DL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> clique is a traitor."
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems that even the poor one-legged fencer is now being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> branded a traitor by many Chinese. Funny how people on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this NG talk a lot about how mean a few people in France
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> were to her but keep quiet about what Chinese are doing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to her. You guys sure have a lot of double standards...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Someone goes to France once and thinks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> she's French. Jin Jing speaks with the voice of an utterly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brainless evil-eyed wolf traitor."
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing but the disinformation service of your western
> >>>>>>>>>>>> propaganda
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You bet. There was a minority voice critical to Jin Jin, but
> >>>>>>>>>>> the majority voice of reason in China blogsphere has came
> >>>>>>>>>>> out in sup****t of her.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course China hater like BO would rather ignore that:
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=3D%E9%87%91%E6%99%B6+%E6%B1%89%E=
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> >>>>>>>>>>> =93Jin Jin does not sup****t Carfore boycott=94
> >>>>>>>>>>> =93If Jin Jin can be labeled HJ, who can=92t?=94
> >>>>>>>>>>> =93Why call Jin Jin HJ?=94
> >>>>>>>>>>> =93Nationalist =93Boxers=94 call Jin Jin HJ=94
> >>>>>>>>>>> =93Shocked to see Jin Jin labeled HJ=94
> >>>>>>>>>>> =93Jin Jin=92s one sentence turning her into HJ, sending
chill=
> >>>>>>>>>>> up readers spine=94
> >>>>>>>>>>> =93Calling Jin Jing HJ is the first sign of the world gone
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrong.=94 =93Jin Jin from hero to zero(HJ) - a Chinese
farce=
=94
> >>>>>>>>>>> =93defaming [Jin Jin] is not patriotism=94
> >>>>>>>>>>> =93Jin Jin from hero to zero - patriotism has lost its
wit=94
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> >>>>>>>>>>> This proves China haters like to twist the facts to suit
> >>>>>>>>>>> their anti- Chinese agenda. When they attack the ordinary
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chinese netters as irrational, rabid - it is no longer
> >>>>>>>>>>> about the Chinese government is it?
>
> >>>>>>>>>> What's the agenda of those that claim pro-Tibetans are
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> >>>>>>>>> You are comparing apples and oranges.
> >>>>>>>>> "Free Tibet" is a movement sup****ted by CIA/NED an dother
> >>>>>>>>> quasi government agencies money. The Tibetan exiles'
> >>>>>>>>> activities are goal directed. Concerning the attack, another
> >>>>>>>>> netter had point out, the spoken persion stating in public
> >>>>>>>>> that such attack the defenseless girl was good. That is, good
> >>>>>>>>> for publicity. Hence, the attack was a mean to an end
> >>>>>>>>> subordinated to thier pay masters' wish.
>
> >>>>>>>>> The bigger issue, attacking the girl as well as the overall
> >>>>>>>>> effort to disrupt the Olympic torch relay or the Olympic games
> >>>>>>>>> do not in anyway benefit the Tibetans in Tibet. China will not
> >>>>>>>>> give up their legitimate claim on Tibet simply because of
> >>>>>>>>> theartics peformed by a small number of people.
>
> >>>>>>>> How can you even say apples and oranges when you completely
> >>>>>>>> fail to grasp what is being compared. It's the posters bmoore
> >>>>>>>> and CharlesLiu and their agendas. If CharlesLiu thinks bmoore
> >>>>>>>> has an agenda of demonizing Chinese then by the same standard
> >>>>>>>> he is obviously guilty of demonizing Tibetans.
>
> >>>>>>> Again, Lui and BM are not comparable because the evidence they
> >>>>>>> used are of different. In one case, the attack of the
> >>>>>>> defenseless girl is lauded by the Vocie of Tibet spokeperson as
> >>>>>>> something good because such attack promote international
> >>>>>>> publicity. Implaction: The attack is part of the plan and/or
> >>>>>>> the attack conform to their overall goal to gain publicity.
> >>>>>>> There is no comparable spokeperson and comparable plan for the
> >>>>>>> verbal attack on the same girl by netter who may or may not be
> >>>>>>> Chinese or pro-China.
>
> >>>>>> If you are not going to address the obvious attempt at
> >>>>>> demonization of Tibetans by Charlesliu with the words,
> >>>>>> "Pro-Tibet cowards only attack little girls" then there is
> >>>>>> nothing further to discuss.
>
> >>>>> If one has problem with the post by Charles Liu, he or she should
> >>>>> feel free to criticize him.
>
> >>>> Which is what I did!
>
> >>> Not true. Your first post of this thread is the following.
>
> >>> "What's the agenda of those that claim pro-Tibetans are cowards who
> >>> only
> >>> attack little girls?"
>
> >>> You are respoinding to Liu saying those who verbal attacked Jin are
> >>> having an agenda.
>
> >> No, that's not what I said. I'm accusing Charles of having an agenda.
>
> >>>>> My previous post simply pointed out one cannot
> >>>>> compare the attack by Tibetans and the verbal attack by bloggers
> >>>>> from Chinese websites.
>
> >>>> Then what you said had nothing to do with what I said, and you're
> >>>> wasting my time.
>
> >>> Are you saying that the above question from the first post is not a
> >>> way to compare the pro-Tibetans attack little girl and netters
> >>> verbally attack Jin?
>
> >> Yes, that's what I have been saying.
>
> > Not true. You are comparing the two. In case your memory fails it.
> > Here it is:
>
> > "It's the posters bmoore and CharlesLiu and their agendas. =A0If
> > CharlesLiu thinks bmoore has an agenda of demonizing Chinese then by
> > the same standard he is obviously guilty of demonizing Tibetans."
>
> Sorry, but you simply just don't have a clue what is being said here.
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> >>>>>>>> Something you seem to also be willing to take part on, even
> >>>>>>>> when you claim others are doing it to the Chinese.
>
> >>>>>>> China ba****ng or anything ba****ng is a matter of whether the
> >>>>>>> criticism is from a position of fact and logic. Let me lay out
> >>>>>>> my case against the "free tibet" sup****ters.
>
> >>>>>> People can use "facts" and "logic" to demonize others. You know
> >>>>>> it, since you try to do it all the time.
>
> >>>>> How so?
>
> >>>> See your words below.
>
> >>> If you don't agree with something, please be specific.
>
> >> I specifically don't agree with any of it.
>
> > I see. I wrote most pro-tibetans, including the exciles, had not set
> > foot in tibet. And you don't agree with it. I wrote they the Tibet on
> > their minds was not the real Tibet and the same conlcusion had been
> > reached by Orveill Schell. And you don't agree with it. It is fine
> > that you don't disagree. Please explain why you don't agree.
>
> You're forgetting the Tibetans living in China.
What about them? In what way you are not one of those who have an
unrealistic view about Tibet or China.
>
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> >>>>>>> 1. According to what I know, most of the "free tibet" sup****ters
> >>>>>>> including the exiles themselves have never set foot in Tibet.
> >>>>>>> Logical inference: Their conception of Tibet is quite different
> >>>>>>> from the real Tibet. The above conclusion is also the view of
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