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Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China

by cnniscrap@[EMAIL PROTECTED] May 2, 2008 at 01:10 PM

On May 1, 5:30=A0pm, "jonathan" <H...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> Dictator****ps, of any kind, whether military, religious or economic, are
> always =A0afraid of anything that might cause them to lose power.
> Especially /different ideas/ customs or people. The less the captive
publi=
c
> knows, sees or hears...the better for the dictator.
>
> Democracies thrive off diversity and open exchanges.
> It is absolutely natural and inevitable that democracies
> should attack the artificially imposed walls of a dictator.
> Just as a forest strives to invade a damaged nearby
> ecosystem, a democracy will try and try to get in and
> take over until it finally succeeds.

You tend to forget that there are badly functioning democracies and
well functioning dictator****ps. While US may be a democrat inward,
it's a dictator outward. Its democratic process, coupled with virulent
nationalism, has led to genocide around the world where people are
deprived their right to self-determination. At least the Chinese
contained their problems to their soil. Nations like China are going
their own and very successful way, with its rapid rising living
standards for the people, the progress in freedom and liberty, the
diversification of the economy and lifestyles, an ever rising
capitalist class and increases in private owner****p. China has showed
its earnest desire to embrace the rest of the world in entering WTO,
UN peace keeping force, hosting Olympics, World Expo, etc. Democracy
has seeped into society and people whether the leaders of this country
like it or not. But many so called democracy activists do not
acknowledge the huge changes that have happened in China in recent
years. Instead they feel necessary to ****tray China today as the
darkest and cruelest era in order to press for a democracy to the
western standard. If anything, this approach destroys the credibility
of the argument because the audience can see the real China for
themselves.
 




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Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
visualseeplus@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-29 21:12:30 
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"AleXX" <mac  2008-04-30 12:20:06 
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Wakalukong <wakalukong  2008-04-29 23:12:28 
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Yaya Kimura <venuschas  2008-04-30 03:02:56 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-04-30 21:31:52 
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PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@[EM  2008-04-30 15:42:47 
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"Jakub A. Krzewicki&  2008-04-30 18:25:08 
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PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@[EM  2008-04-30 16:52:13 
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"RussellT" <  2008-04-30 10:46:18 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-04-30 10:08:13 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-04-30 08:51:48 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-04-30 08:52:45 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-04-30 08:55:53 
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visualseeplus@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-30 19:51:06 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-04-30 20:15:29 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-04-30 20:29:10 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-05-01 07:38:02 
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PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@[EM  2008-05-01 13:28:06 
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"RussellT" <  2008-05-01 16:59:30 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-02 16:04:08 
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"J.Venning" <  2008-05-02 10:18:13 
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"RussellT" <  2008-05-02 18:37:16 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-02 16:02:02 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-01 11:00:38 
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Hairy Dope <clitteigh@  2008-05-01 11:56:27 
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"RussellT" <  2008-05-01 20:04:59 
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"jonathan" <  2008-05-01 20:30:56 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-02 15:56:41 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-01 12:26:52 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-01 13:12:44 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-02 15:57:19 
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Lazarus Cain <rspeakin  2008-05-01 15:37:53 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-01 16:00:46 
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"jonathan" <  2008-05-01 20:14:16 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-01 22:47:27 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-02 16:00:56 
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cnniscrap@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-02 13:10:10 
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"jonathan" <  2008-05-02 23:54:52 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-03 17:28:32 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-03 17:31:01 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-03 17:25:46 
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"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-03 06:42:05 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-03 22:12:37 
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"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-03 06:53:17 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-03 22:02:10 
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"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-03 07:22:37 
Don't disrespect me.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-03 22:33:47 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-03 22:34:28 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-03 22:36:09 
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"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-03 07:31:03 
Re: Don't disrespect me.
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-03 07:41:16 
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"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-03 07:45:56 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-04 13:34:36 
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"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-03 07:53:27 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-03 10:19:18 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-04 13:33:02 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-03 15:03:54 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-04 13:35:25 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-04 13:35:44 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-04 13:37:21 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-04 13:38:08 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-04 13:38:40 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-04 13:39:19 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-03 15:10:58 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-03 15:38:26 
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Politikus <ffasia@[EMA  2008-05-03 21:01:24 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-03 21:18:34 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-03 22:40:19 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-03 22:57:01 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-03 23:08:52 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 13:59:23 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 14:03:03 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-03 23:15:50 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 13:58:28 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-03 23:18:24 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 14:03:30 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 14:14:12 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-03 23:19:00 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 14:16:04 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-03 23:23:04 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 14:17:41 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-03 23:23:32 
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pg <penang@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-04 02:36:00 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-04 08:13:36 
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bobcat2000@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-04 09:12:25 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 13:58:05 
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"Jim" <jim@[  2008-05-05 22:34:03 
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mongoose <mongoose889@  2008-05-04 12:09:00 
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CharlesLiu <chliu528@[  2008-05-04 12:51:36 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 14:20:36 
Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics in
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-04 17:54:53 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politic
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 14:21:18 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 06:37:20 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 06:41:09 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 22:38:39 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 06:43:00 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 22:40:33 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 06:59:59 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 22:41:36 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 07:01:57 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 07:03:07 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 22:42:43 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-05 07:05:28 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 07:14:46 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-05 22:46:11 
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"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-05 07:37:30 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-06 13:46:48 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 07:49:14 
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=?GB18030?B?1tC5+sjL?= &l  2008-05-06 10:58:16 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 08:08:09 
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=?GB18030?B?1tC5+sjL?= &l  2008-05-06 10:54:46 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-06 13:46:39 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 08:13:58 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-06 13:46:40 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 08:16:15 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-06 13:46:42 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-05 08:43:33 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-06 13:46:43 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-06 13:46:45 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-05 10:42:30 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-06 13:46:47 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-05 12:57:42 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-05 20:15:12 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
mudali@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-05 22:34:46 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-06 01:31:18 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-07 20:46:52 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-06 02:47:16 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
=?GB18030?B?1tC5+sjL?= &l  2008-05-06 18:41:09 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-07 20:46:48 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-05-06 02:48:04 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-07 20:46:50 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-07 06:44:00 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-09 14:46:48 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-07 07:28:26 
Re: Tourists will be jailed if they talk politics in China
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-09 14:46:47 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-07 07:37:46 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-08 06:26:40 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-09 14:46:49 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-08 08:55:23 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-08 11:21:09 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-08 11:24:27 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-09 02:23:54 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-09 02:30:11 
Re: Tourists come to Beijing to celebrate...not to talk politics
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:35:08 

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