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Re: The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations

by rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM

On May 25, 10:30=A0am, Zoness <zon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Yu wrote:
> > by Floyd Rudmin
>
> > We hear that Tibetans suffer =93demographic aggression=94 and
=93cultura=
l
> > genocide=94. But we do not hear those terms applied to Spanish and
> > French policies toward the Basque minority. We do not hear those terms
> > applied to the US annexation of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1898. And
> > Diego Garcia? In 1973, not so long ago, the UK forcibly de****ted the
> > entire native Chagossian population from the Indian Ocean island of
> > Diego Garcia. People were allowed one suitcase of clothing. Nothing
> > else. Family pets were gassed, then cremated. Complete ethnic
> > cleansing. Complete cultural destruction. Why? In order to build a big
> > US air base. It has been used to bomb Afghanistan and Iraq, and soon
> > maybe to bomb Iran and Pakistan. Diego Garcia, with nobody there but
> > Brits and Americans, is also a perfect place for rendition, torture
> > and other illegal actions.
>
> > When the Olympics come to London in 2012, the Dalai Lama and Desmond
> > Tutu will certainly lead the demonstrators protesting the
=93demographic=

> > aggression=94 and =93cultural genocide=94 in Diego Garcia. The UN
Secret=
ary
> > General, the President of France, the Chancellor of Germany, the new
> > US President and the entire US Congress will certainly boycott the
> > opening ceremonies.
>
> > The height of hypocrisy is this moral posturing about 100 dead in race
> > riots in Lhasa, while the USA, UK and more than 40 nations in the
> > Coalition of the Willing wage a war of aggression against Iraq. This
> > is not =93demographic aggression=94 but raw shock-and-awe aggression.
A
> > war crime. A war on civilians, including the intentional destruction
> > of the water and sewage systems, and the electrical grid. More than
> > one million Iraqis are now dead; five million made into refugees. The
> > Western invaders may not be doing =93cultural genocide=94 but they are
> > doing cultural destruction on an immense scale, in the very cradle of
> > Western Civilization. Why is the news filled with demonstrators about
> > Tibet but not about Iraq?
>
> > And as everyone knows but few dare say, =93demographic aggression=94
and=

> > =93cultural genocide=94 can be applied most accurately to Israel=92s
> > settlement policies and systematic destruction of Palestinian
> > communities. On this, the Dalai Lama seems silent. Demonstrators
don=92t=

> > wave flags for bulldozed homes, destroyed orchards, or dead
> > Palestinian children.
>
> > The Chinese Context
>
> > The Chinese government is responsible for the well-being and security
> > of one-fourth of humanity. Race riots and rebellion cannot be
> > tolerated, not even when done by Buddhist monks.
>
> > Chinese Civilization was already old when the Egyptians began building
> > pyramids. But the last 200 years have not gone well, what with two
> > Opium Wars forcing China to im****t drugs, and Europeans seizing
> > coastal ****ts as a step to complete colonial control, then the Boxer
> > Rebellion, the collapse of the Manchu Dynasty, civil war, a brutal
> > invasion and occupation by Japan, more civil war, then Communist
> > consolidation and transformation of society, then Mao=92s Cultural
> > Revolution. Such events caused tens of millions of people to die.
> > Thus, China=92s recent history has good reasons why social order is a
> > higher priority than individual rights. Race riots and rebellion
> > cannot be tolerated.
>
> > Considering this context, China=92s treatment of its minorities has
been=

> > exemplary compared to what the Western world has done to its
> > minorities. After thousands of years of Chinese dominance, there still
> > are more than 50 minorities in China. After a few hundred years of
> > European dominance in North and South America, the original minority
> > cultures have been exterminated, damaged, or diminished.
>
> > Chinese currency carries five languages: Chinese, Mongolian, Tibetan,
> > Uigur, and Zhuang. In comparison, Canadian currency carries English
> > and French, but no Cree or Inuktitut. If the USA were as considerate
> > of ethnic minorities as is China, then the greenback would be written
> > in English, Spanish, Cherokee and Hawaiian.
>
> > In China, ethnic minorities begin their primary schooling in their own
> > language, in a school administered by one of their own community.
> > Chinese language instruction is not introduced until age 10 or later.
> > This is in sharp contrast to a history of coerced linguistic
> > assimilation in most Western nations. The Australian government
> > recently apologized to the Aboriginal minority for taking children
> > from their families, forcing them to speak English, beating them if
> > they spoke their mother tongue. China has no need to make such apology
> > to Tibetans or to other minorities.
>
> > China=92s one-child-policy seems oppressive to Westerners, but it has
> > not applied to minorities, only to the Han Chinese. Tibetans can have
> > as many children as they choose. If Han people have more than one
> > child, they are punished.
>
> > There is a similar preference given to minorities when it comes to
> > admission to universities. For example, Tibetan students enter
China=92s=

> > elite Peking University with lower exam scores than Han Chinese
> > students.
>
> > China is not a perfect nation, but on matters of minority rights, it
> > has been better than most Western nations. And China achieved this in
> > the historical context of restoring itself and recovering from 200
> > years of continual crisis and foreign invasion.
>
> > Historical Claims
>
> > National boundaries are not natural. They all arise from history, and
> > all history is disputable. Arguments and evidence can always be found
> > to challenge a boundary. China has long claimed Tibet as part of its
> > territory, though that has been hard to enforce during the past 200
> > years. The Dalai Lama does not dispute China=92s claim to Tibet. The
> > recent race riots in Tibet and the anti-Olympics demonstrations will
> > not cause China to shrink itself and abandon part of its territory.
> > Rioters and demonstrators know that.
>
> > Foreign governments promoting Tibet separatism and demonstrators
> > demanding Tibet independence should look closer to home. Canadians can
> > campaign for Qu=E9bec libre. Americans can sup****t separatists in
Puerto=

> > Rico, Vermont, Texas, California, Hawaii, Guam, and Alaska. Brits can
> > work for a free Wales, and Scotland for the Scots. French can help
> > free Tahitians, New Caledonians, Corsicans, and the Basques. Spaniards
> > can also back the Basques, or the Catalonians. Italians can help
> > Sicilian separatists or the Northern League. Danes can free the Faeroe
> > Islands. Poles can back Cashubians. Japanese can help Okinawan
> > separatists, and Filipinos can help the Moros. Thai can promote
> > Patanni independence; Indonesians can promote Acehnese independence.
> > New Zealanders can leave the islands to the Maori; Australians can
> > vacate Papua. Sri Lankans can help Tamil separatists; Indians can help
> > Sikh separatists.
>
> > Nearly every nation has a separatist movement of some kind. There is
> > no need to go to Tibet, to the top of the world, to promote ethnic
> > separatism. China is not promoting separatism in other nations and
> > does not appreciate other nations promoting separatism in China. The
> > people most oppressed, most needing a nation of their own, are the
> > Palestinians. There is a worthy project to promote and to demonstrate
> > about.
>
> > Danger of Demonstrations
>
> > These demonstrations do not serve Tibetans, but rather use Tibetans
> > for ulterior motives. Many Tibetans, therefore, oppose these
> > demonstrations. Many Chinese remember their history and see the riots
> > in Lhasa and subsequent demonstrations as another attempt by foreign
> > powers to dismember and weaken China. There is grave danger that
> > Chinese might come to fear Tibetans as traitors, resulting in wide
> > spread anti-Tibetan feelings in China.
>
> > Fear that an ethnic minority serves foreign forces caused Canada,
> > during World War 1, to imprison its Ukranian minority in concentration
> > camps. For similar reasons, the Ottomans de****ted their Armenian
> > minority and killed more than a million in death marches. The German
> > Nazis saw the Jewish minority as traitors who caused defeat in World
> > War 1; hence de****tations in the 1930s and death camps in the 1940s.
> > During World War 2, both Canada and the USA feared that their Japanese
> > immigrant minorities were traitorous and de****ted them to
> > concentration camps. Indonesians fearing their Chinese minority,
> > de****ted 100,000 in 1959 and killed thousands more in 1965. Israel
> > similarly fears its Arab minority, resulting in de****tations and
> > oppression.
>
> > Hopefully, the Chinese government and the Chinese people will see
> > Tibetans as victims of foreign powers rather than agents of foreign
> > powers. However, if China reacts like other nations have in history
> > and starts systematic severe repression of Tibetans, then today=92s
> > demonstrators should remember their role in causing that to happen.
>
> > Conclusion
>
> > The demonstrators now disparaging China serve only to distract
> > themselves and others from seeing and correcting the current failings
> > of their own governments. If the demonstrators will take a moment to
> > listen, they will hear the silence of their own hypocrisy.
>
> > The consequences of these demonstrations are 1) China will stiffen its
> > resolve to find foreign influences inciting Tibetans to riot, and 2)
> > the governments of the USA, UK, France and other Western nations will
> > have less domestic criticism for a few weeks. That is all. These
> > demonstrations can come to no good end.
>
> tl;dr
>
> Thats what China gets for having a crappy, oppressive government that
> actually does physical crackdowns on groups of people it thinks are
unfit.=


Yeah, like the United States, first with slavery, then tried to ****p
them back to Africa,  the killed off the Native American Indians and
the establishment of reservations to keep them in, then trying to
force out the Asians, ...

Nothing smells more crappy than your own odor.
 




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The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations
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