Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS

On Jul 1, 5:31=A0am, "Toby" <kyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Jul 1, 6:52 am, "Toby" <kyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "ltlee1" <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Jul 1, 4:38 am, "Toby" <kyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > "ltlee1" <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Jun 30, 5:52 am, "Toby" <nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > In a word: what occurs should be re****ted. The freer the flow of
> > > > information
> > > > the better. CCP does not want an informed populace, which might
end =
up
> > > > questioning its legitimacy.
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> > > > The flip side of the coin, as you point out, is that an
unregulated
> > > > press
> > > > looking only for profit can distort the flow of information as
well,=

> > > > but
> > > > as
> > > > long as there is little or no censor****p then there will always be
> > > > multiple
> > > > sources of information. Some will be "better" than others, but at
> > > > least
> > > > an
> > > > informed citizen will find access to many points of view and many
> > > > "biases",
> > > > from which to make up her/his own mind. The best information might
> > > > well
> > > > be
> > > > hard to find, but it will be there for those willing to make the
> > > > effort.
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> > > > This is not true of information flow in China, which is highly
> > > > regulated
> > > > by
> > > > the government for its own purposes.
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> > > All journalists are "regulated" by their biases and/or by their
> > > checkbook. Example: At one time two out of three Americans believed
> > > that Iraq and Iraqis were involved in the 9/11 bombing which was an
> > > high profile event in America as well as other part of the world.
Were=

> > > the Chinese people similarly mistaken after reading the Chinese
press?=

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> > > As I was very active at the time, I can assure you that there were
> > > plenty
> > > of
> > > alternative news sources which strongly argued against any
connection
> > > between Iraq and 9/11. Such alternatives do not exist in China.
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> > Althernative for who's sake? My point is that despite or because all
> > the alternatives, 2 out 3 had led to believe the connection between
> > Iraq and 9/11.
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> > > This is the essence of a free press: all sides are allowed an
audience=
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> > Yes. All falseshood are allowed an audiences. Hence American free
> > press is also American yellow press. Hence America has become "a
> > democracy withou citizens."
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> > This is pure faulty logic,
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> How so? Truth is but one. No?
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> Without getting into philosophy, how does it follow that because yellow
> press exists as part of free press America has become a democracy
without
> citizens (which does not even make sense, since a democracy cannot exist
> without citizens)?
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> > and the second part is also a non-sequitur. You
> > are very good at twisting information to meet your ends, a true son of
t=
he
> > dragon.
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> "good at twisting information" =3D "true son of the dragon"
> What is the above for? You don't agree with me, you say it out. Why
> drag in the other issues?
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> I'll stick to the issues if you will.

LT will stick to his agenda. That is all that matters to him. Being
honest is not im****tant to him. Many people have engaged him in
conversation over the years on s.c.c. and given up in disgust after
realizing he would not be straightforward, and would attempt to score
points with deception and distortion.