Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS

On Jul 2, 12:19=A0am, "Toby" <kyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Without getting into philosophy, how does it follow that because
yellow
> > press exists as part of free press America has become a democracy
withou=
t
> > citizens (which does not even make sense, since a democracy cannot
exist=

> > without citizens)?
>
> ;If you hadn't read the article cited in the beginning post. Please do.
> ;The author, actually William Lind, lamented that the American press is
> ;degenerating into yellow press. He did not say yellow press exists as
> ;part of free press. If you want to relate the two, then American free
> ;press =3D American yellow press according to William Lind.
>
> Having been in the news business for over 20 years, I totally agree with
M=
r.
> Lind. Yes, unfortunately, the US press is becoming more and more like
the
> Chinese press, cedeing their role as independent and critical watchdogs
an=
d
> mindlessly printing "government bulletins".

I see. You agree that thhe American press is turning into the yellow
press based on you experience.

> However this process is much
> more complete in China than in the US, and hence my assertion that the
US
> press, at its worst, is still light years ahead of what is on offer in
PRC=
..

You are repeating yourself. If you are going to make comparison,
please lay out your objective criteria? Else your accusation is not
meaningful.  Anyway, the Chinese media does not claim to be a "free
press." And no one should see it as so. As I had explained before, all
presses handicap the truth. One is either a fool or a liar if he clams
that more bookies means better better chance of picking the winner.

> There has also been an big accounting in that regard in the years after
th=
e
> Iraq invasion and occupation, with major news sources such as the New
York=

> Times offering large and sincere mea culpas for their lack of
responsibili=
ty
> in uncritically towing the government line. And throughout the darkest
day=
s
> of press kowtowing, there existed a vigorous, if marginalized, sector of
t=
he
> press critical of both the government and the mainstream media. Unlike
in
> China, they were neither censored nor prosecuted for their stand.

So?
As a reader, the failure of American journalist and its tragic
consequence is obvous. American press misled and misinformed the
American public such that 2 out of 3 beleived the linkage between Iraq
and 9/11. Their misunderstanding led to their sup****ting the ivasion
of Iraq. This made the "independent" press a war enabler. If I can
vote between the censoring/prosecution of a handful of journaolists
and the death of thousands of American soliders and millions of
Iraqis, I will have no problem choosing the former.


> ;As for "democracy without citizens." it is the title of a book by a
> ;professor Robett Entman. He criticized the American press because it
> ;is not serving the audiences and enabling them to be responsible
> ;citizens. Hence America is like a democracy without citizens. The 9/11-
> ;Iraq case demonstrated that Professor Entman's citicism was right on
> ;target. =A0American citizens were misinformed and misled by the so
> ;called free press to sup****t the invasion of Iraq.
>
> The mistake you make here is that while the press failed in their
> responsibility to remain independent and critical, they remained free,
> unlike in China, where media repression is overt and journalists are
> regularly jailed for exercising their profession. Please read and
comment =
on
> this:
>
> http://www.campaigns.ifex.org/alerts/content/view/full/87830/

Nothing more "Timothy McVeigh rent a truck; Timothy McVeigh got
executed." Objectively speaking, both statements are truth. Hoever, it
does not mean that Tim McViegh got executed soley for renting a
truck.

>
>
>
> > > and the second part is also a non-sequitur. You
> > > are very good at twisting information to meet your ends, a true son
of=

> > > the
> > > dragon.
>
> > "good at twisting information" =3D "true son of the dragon"
> > What is the above for? You don't agree with me, you say it out. Why
> > drag in the other issues?
>
> > I'll stick to the issues if you will.
>
> ????
> You have to say derogative thing about =A0the Chinese people, sons of
> the dragon, because I cannot stick to the issues.
>
> No, I say derogatory things about you, as a son of the dragon who does
not=

> have the courage to get out from under the dragon's claw. I have met
many
> courageous Chinese who risk much to speak the truth, but you are not one
o=
f
> them.


>
> Toby