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Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS

by "Toby" <kymarto@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 3, 2008 at 11:17 PM

"ltlee1" <ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:9ebc5618-cf63-4f3e-b16c-6f7b548d8894@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Jul 2, 8:20 am, "Toby" <kyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "ltlee1" <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schrieb im 
>
Newsbeitragnews:5f302fb7-f62c-403a-9165-98c3af7b6aa3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Jul 2, 1:49 am, "Toby" <kyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ltlee1" <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schrieb im
> >
Newsbeitragnews:d6b83cb7-86cc-4951-a95a-4d8f28de56de@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Jul 1, 8:53 am, "Toby" <kyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > Alternatives for the sake of having alternatives, for those who
have
> > > > the
> > > > intelligence and interest to try to ferret out the truth. The 
> > > > Chinese
> > > > have
> > > > no such choice. They are forced to eat whatever the government
puts 
> > > > on
> > > > the
> > > > table.
>
> > > Those who have intelligence can tell that the press is always
reflects
> > > the opinions of a small group of people re****ting on a tiny slice of
> > > world events according their own criteria. The only difference is
> > > this: In a guided press, the criteria are the criteria of hte
> > > government which mission is to satisfy the needs of the people. In
> > > the so called free press, the criteria are the criteria of the
> > > cor****ations which mission is to maximize profit for the
> > > shareholders.
>
> > > You make the assumptions that the government's mission is to satisy 
> > > the
> > > needs of the people, without defining which people. It has always
been
> > > the
> > > case that those in power seek to remain in power, and in any
situation
> > > in
> > > which scarcity exists and there is a conflict between personal and
> > > general
> > > welfare, the needs that government officials seek to satisfy are
their
> > > own.
>
> > > Your own government has admitted that combatting corruption is 
> > > critical
> > > and
> > > the fate of the party depends on doing so in an effective and timely
> > > manner.
>
> > > Except perhaps at the very top, the CCP is corrupt through and 
> > > through.
> > > This, by definition, means that there is a distinction between the
> > > "needs"
> > > of the people and the needs of the government officials, at the 
> > > expense
> > > of
> > > the former.
>
> > > However this is digression. Essentially you are saying that the
> > > government
> > > can lie to people for their own good, if it perceives this as
serving
> > > their
> > > needs. But it is not the mass of people who get served by such
> > > dishonesty,
> > > it is the select people who promote it. And such a philosophy leaves

> > > the
> > > door open to the worst forms of tyranny and abuse.
>
> > Either you beleive the people or you don't. If you don't, then there
> > will never be any kind of democracy. If you do, you need to trust the
> > people that they can tell whether the government is serving their
> > needs. And if not, they will over throw out the governemnt one way or
> > the other. Free the criticize the government but please do not begin
> > with the premise that the people are dumb. At least not until you have
> > become one of them.
>
> > People in China are not dumb, they are terrorized.
>
> What a ridiculous assertion. I will not even dignify it with a reply.
>
> The difference is that this is not an assertion. It is a fact. I have
seen
> it countless times with my own eyes in the two years I have been here,
and
> many Chinese have told me so as well. They say, "I will tell you this
> privately, but I cannot tell you on camera because I am afraid of what 
> might
> happen to me."


What is the size of this "they"?
According to statistics, odds of being struck by lightning is 1 out
280,000 in America. To thos 1000+ individuals struck by lightning
every year, of course, they had a terrorizing experience. But it is
absurd to say that  Americans are terrorized by lightning.

Several hundred in Beijing alone, to begin with. It is instructive that in

my 20+ years in journalism, around the world, this never happened before.

During the Tibet unrest in March, several times CCTV blocked our satellite

feeds. We have this on paper, so we know that it is true. This also has 
never happened in my experience in feeding from around the world.

Yesterday, during a live broadcast, we were again blocked, because the 
authorities told us it was not allowed for an American expert, who had
spent 
over 20 years in China studying it, to speak about the Great Wall. You
have 
been made to look like the fools you are throughout Europe.

You can dissemble and you can wriggle on the hook, and you can hide your 
head in the sand, but the facts are inescapable for anyone with half a 
brain, or with eyes to see.

Toby
 




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AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-27 03:44:18 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-27 14:54:44 
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"Player" <bi  2008-06-27 21:19:02 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-06-28 01:33:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Peter Terpstra <peter@  2008-07-12 11:33:58 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-28 02:24:29 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-06-30 05:04:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-06-28 08:49:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-28 09:13:27 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-06-28 19:52:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-28 18:16:35 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-06-29 11:29:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-06-29 12:59:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-06-30 15:47:59 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-06-30 15:48:00 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-29 16:45:59 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-06-30 15:48:05 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-29 17:00:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-06-30 15:48:06 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-06-30 15:48:07 
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Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-06-30 17:33:35 
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Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-06-30 18:27:58 
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Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-01 14:46:25 
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Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-02 11:01:07 
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Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-01 14:43:37 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-06-30 04:52:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-30 06:05:23 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-01 13:35:31 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 03:38:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:39 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 10:41:17 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 10:42:12 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:50:06 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 10:46:51 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 14:32:17 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 02:32:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 05:52:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 06:01:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:41 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:43 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 04:57:44 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 07:31:09 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:45 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 05:15:59 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 07:53:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 07:18:07 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 23:19:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:48 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 07:37:22 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 00:49:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 03:52:11 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-01 10:24:29 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-01 10:57:35 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-01 11:00:14 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 04:56:30 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 07:20:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 05:00:31 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 07:14:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 05:22:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 22:37:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:50 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 05:24:50 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-03 23:17:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 05:30:22 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-03 23:11:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 06:09:38 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-03 23:09:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:55 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-13 06:11:18 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 03:50:09 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 04:18:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 05:29:06 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 01:57:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 08:45:49 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:15:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
none <""bbb\  2008-07-17 19:55:27 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 02:39:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 05:19:38 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:04:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 08:47:51 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:18:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:32 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 10:42:31 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:00 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:07 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:16 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:18 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:23:01 
Re: Step by Step.
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:27:03 
Re: Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:47 
Mr. Lee and a Prediction.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:52 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-03 09:51:10 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:57 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-03 09:55:51 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-07-03 15:34:45 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-03 16:30:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-03 23:19:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 22:25:08 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-04 04:07:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 22:50:24 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-04 03:06:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 23:01:40 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-04 04:14:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 03:57:20 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:33:07 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 06:01:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:41:09 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 13:48:44 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:36:08 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-07-04 16:13:20 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:58:05 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-09 09:09:09 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:33:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-09 10:10:12 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-09 18:01:42 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-11 02:06:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-09 10:20:35 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-11 03:21:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-09 10:56:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-11 02:21:02 
Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-10 10:46:25 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-11 02:18:01 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-10 12:38:30 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-11 02:22:02 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-11 05:23:47 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:35:02 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:47:01 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:39:05 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:09:01 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 10:32:25 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:52:02 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-13 08:58:33 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:39:03 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 11:27:01 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:37:10 
Re: Step by Step.
none <""bbb\  2008-07-16 11:06:50 
Re: Step by Step.
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:07:01 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 10:34:08 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 10:36:07 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-11 10:53:41 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:10:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-13 08:31:29 
"Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-11 11:20:29 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:16:01 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 11:40:58 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-11 15:25:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 05:56:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:28 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 15:55:27 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-07-11 18:15:15 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"mohor-yen" <  2008-07-13 19:02:02 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 23:38:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-07-12 02:10:23 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 09:05:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-07-12 20:55:26 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 07:49:06 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 02:09:07 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 08:04:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:57:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:38:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:00:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 08:10:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-13 11:44:54 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:44:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 04:53:00 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:05:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:41 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 10:19:18 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:31:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:43:08 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:36 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:38:02 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 08:54:23 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 02:13:04 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:39:09 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 11:48:36 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 11:53:11 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:48:14 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 12:32:51 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:45:05 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:39 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 10:49:42 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:20 
Re: Step by Step.
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:29:02 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-17 12:08:24 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-19 20:12:56 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-19 23:54:54 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-25 15:08:19 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-23 17:17:31 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-24 13:02:07 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-25 14:45:59 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-28 17:22:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 13:38:38 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 03:06:35 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 05:53:01 
Prediction about Mr. Lee
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:12:19 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 03:17:41 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 03:14:02 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 03:38:02 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 03:06:01 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:38:58 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:06:01 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-17 19:59:50 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 03:43:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 06:31:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:04:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:34 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:16:58 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:18:04 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:21:21 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:22:59 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 03:14:02 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:25:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 10:48:14 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:57:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:38:56 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 10:54:35 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 14:22:12 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:07:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 13:30:31 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 13:33:13 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 20:33:11 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:15:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 18:03:51 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 21:17:24 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 01:38:10 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 05:56:02 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 08:55:18 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-15 11:40:45 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:03:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-15 12:05:29 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:59:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-15 13:48:37 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:17:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:40 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-15 21:44:22 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:15:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:30 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 01:05:22 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-17 20:03:26 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 03:44:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 05:22:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 03:40:02 
Mr. Lee's illogical arguments
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:51 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 11:27:34 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 03:42:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 11:59:12 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 02:39:02 
The CCP oppresses the Chinese people
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:32 
Mr. Lee's illogical arguments.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:34 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 13:20:55 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 02:52:02 
Mr. Lee's illogical arguments.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:43 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 17:48:18 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 19:35:36 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 19:39:54 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 19:41:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 02:41:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
force.sin@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-07-18 09:39:22 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-18 09:49:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
force.sin@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-07-19 08:19:54 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-19 15:24:32 
Mr. Lee's illogical arguments.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:36 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-22 05:02:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-19 15:43:46 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-23 03:36:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-19 15:51:28 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-22 05:06:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 10:37:21 
Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-21 23:30:04 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-23 21:52:55 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-22 06:29:30 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-23 03:26:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-23 21:52:45 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 08:23:07 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 08:26:24 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-22 22:26:25 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-23 03:06:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 17:08:23 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 05:25:42 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-23 21:52:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-28 01:06:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 06:18:08 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-28 00:58:03 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
WanLF <wanlongfak@[EMA  2008-07-23 10:22:59 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
enterprise <Enterprise  2008-07-23 10:39:49 
For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-23 10:53:35 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 09:28:12 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 11:03:42 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-23 11:12:22 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 09:33:29 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-08-04 03:34:31 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-08-04 08:20:28 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-08-04 08:20:04 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-23 18:43:42 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 09:48:57 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
"mohor-yen" <  2008-07-24 16:12:06 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 18:53:52 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 19:05:09 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-23 18:56:52 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
generic_communist@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 20:57:28 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 18:38:23 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:22:04 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
generic_communist@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:28:42 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 18:40:14 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:33:30 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
generic_communist@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:37:22 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 18:42:38 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:58:23 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-24 14:24:09 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-24 15:16:46 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 04:41:01 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-25 15:14:10 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-25 00:26:11 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
achtung <konon@[EMAIL   2008-07-29 00:32:10 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-29 18:58:41 

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