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Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press

by none <""bbb\"@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (none)"> Jul 14, 2008 at 05:29 AM

China is a big country.

Do you know what that means?

I think not.

Toby wrote:
> Let's have a look at the status of journalism in China:
> 
> Violence against journalists:
> http://www.cpj.org/Briefings/2004/China_8_04/China_8_04.html
> 
> Censor****p
>
http://www.wa****ngtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/30/AR2007123002312.html
> 
> "The watchdog group Re****ters Without Borders ranked China 163 out of
168 
> countries in its 2007 index of press freedom."
> http://www.cfr.org/publication/11515/
> 
> Internet censor****p
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censor****p_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China
>
http://www.amnestyusa.org/business-and-human-rights/internet-censor****p/page.do?id=1101572&n1=3&n2=26&n3=1035
> 
> 
> 
> More on censor****p in China from an honorable, honest and intelligent 
> Chinese national (as opposed to most who post here):
> http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=18567
> 
> "There are three or four major aspects of media control/censor****p in 
> mainland China. The first, and the most im****tant, is the effort to
isolate 
> China from the outside world. To accomplish this, China makes it
difficult 
> for overseas journalists to gain access to the country for interviews.
Even 
> when they do acquire permission from the Chinese government, their
freedom 
> is highly cir***scribed.
> 
> Another method of media control is to interfere with and disturb the 
> reception of international radio services, for example Voice of America
and 
> BBC. In cities, the interference is especially strong. There are also 
> serious restrictions on international satellite services. Only hotels
with a 
> three star or higher ranking are permitted to receive such signals. 
> Generally, with the exception of government officials of a certain
ranking, 
> the general public is kept from receiving such services....This policy
of 
> isolating China from the world has caused the information flow in China
to 
> become a one dimensional, one channeled, one way flow....
> 
> Major historical events related to natural disasters in China have often

> been first revealed by overseas re****ters to the international
community, 
> which in turn exerted pressure on China to seek ways to solve the
problem. 
> For example, SARS was first re****ted by Time magazine. . . . Therefore,
it 
> may be concluded -- and I have written about this in one of my articles
--  
> that the Chinese government owes a lot to overseas re****ters, and
especially 
> Time magazine, which deserves an award.
> 
> There has been severe criticism of VOA for "spreading rumors" about the
1989 
> crisis in China. Here, I want to make two points clear: first, the
so-called 
> "rumors" were not created by VOA in a vacuum; people were talking and 
> information was circulating. Theoretically, this issue reflects the
question 
> of truthfulness or validity in re****ting an event; that is, on the level
of 
> truth, dealing with factual evidence and with sources of information.
For 
> example, casualty rates are a form of factual evidence because an
actual, 
> objective number is present. On the other hand, a re****ter re****ts an
event 
> that he did not witness but bases his re****t upon his informants'
accounts; 
> this could also be considered valid. Second, even the circulation of
such 
> information or the spread of "rumors" is better than blocking
information. 
> This is the first aspect of media control.
> 
> The second aspect of media control deals with the control of personnel. 
> Overseas re****ters have a hard time understanding the source of the
Central 
> Propaganda Department's authority in maintaining such strict, tight
control. 
> For example, Chinese re****ters were restrained from re****ting the visit
of 
> Kim Jong-il to China until the trip officially ended. The same with the 
> Hanyuan issue, which dealt with a disastrous confrontation between local

> peasants in China and their government.* Re****ters could give no direct 
> re****ts but merely replicated them from the official newspapers. My 
> explanation is that the general directors of media in China are in fact 
> government officials who have been appointed by the government. This is
to 
> say, they are selected according to the same procedures and following
the 
> same standards and rules as those applied to the selection of public 
> officials. This may explain why when in the face of a political
incident, 
> they respond in accordance to the wishes of government officials,
instead of 
> playing the role of a professional journalist.
> 
> The third aspect of control involves the processing of articles. Each 
> article goes through three or four stages of supervision in order to
reach 
> publication: (1) the editor; (2) the branch director in charge of the
editor's 
> work; (3) the editor-in-chief of the agency; and (4) the umbrella
company 
> over this agency (if there is one). In contrast to the rigid system of 
> China, I interviewed a New York Times re****ter on international affairs 
> about their system and he told me that the final decision on publication
was 
> entirely up to him. In China, as an article makes its way up the ladder,
the 
> content becomes more politically conscious and less politically
sensitive.
> 
> We have touched upon what have been the procedures for the handling of 
> articles before publication. There is also post-publication censor****p
at 
> both the national and the local levels, where every newspaper,
television 
> channel, radio station, even the internet undergo content reviews. What
I 
> mean is there is a follow-up system organized to review content and to 
> ascertain what is deemed appropriate for publication and what is not.
There 
> is also a system of punishment for media agencies that were responsible
for 
> the publication of sensitive issues.
> 
> There is also a more collective method to control. In the past, the
Central 
> Propaganda Department would routinely call a meeting with publi****ng
house 
> editors and newspaper editors to discuss what could be re****ted and what

> could not be disclosed. For instance, the use of words such as
"democracy," 
> "freedom and liberty," and "human rights" have been prohibited;
expressions 
> such as "media is a social weapon" and the concept of taxpayers are also

> forbidden.
> 
> In the Shanghai Liberation Daily, there was an article stating that talk

> about "public intellectuals" must also be banned because it would set a 
> trend or act as an encouragement to the independence of intellectuals.
Other 
> events about which one may not publish are, for example, the June 4th 
> incident, Falungong, the BMW case, and the Cultural Revolution.**
> 
> One scholar did a study on the type of governmental activities the
Chinese 
> media usually re****ts and it appeared that the daily activities of the 
> Chinese government involves no more than where officials visit or how
great 
> are their achievements. "
> 
> Toby
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
 




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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-27 03:44:18 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-27 14:54:44 
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"Player" <bi  2008-06-27 21:19:02 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-06-28 01:33:01 
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Peter Terpstra <peter@  2008-07-12 11:33:58 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-28 02:24:29 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-06-30 05:04:03 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-06-28 08:49:03 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-28 09:13:27 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-06-28 19:52:03 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-28 18:16:35 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-06-29 11:29:01 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-06-29 12:59:01 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-06-30 15:47:59 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-06-30 15:48:00 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-29 16:45:59 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-06-30 15:48:05 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-29 17:00:53 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-06-30 15:48:06 
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Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-06-30 17:33:35 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-06-30 04:52:03 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-06-30 06:05:23 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-01 13:35:31 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 03:38:03 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:39 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 10:41:17 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 10:42:12 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:50:06 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 10:46:51 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 14:32:17 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 02:32:01 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 05:52:01 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 06:01:02 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:41 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:43 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 04:57:44 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 07:31:09 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:45 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 05:15:59 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 07:53:01 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 07:18:07 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-01 23:19:01 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:48 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 07:37:22 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 00:49:01 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 03:52:11 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-01 10:24:29 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-01 10:57:35 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-01 11:00:14 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 04:56:30 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 07:20:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 05:00:31 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 07:14:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-02 05:22:53 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-02 22:37:01 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:50 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 05:24:50 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-03 23:17:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 05:30:22 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-03 23:11:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 06:09:38 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-03 23:09:02 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:55 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-13 06:11:18 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 03:50:09 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 04:18:02 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 05:29:06 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 01:57:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 08:45:49 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:15:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
none <""bbb\  2008-07-17 19:55:27 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 02:39:02 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 05:19:38 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:04:02 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 08:47:51 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:18:02 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:32 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 10:42:31 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:00 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:07 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:16 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:18 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:23:01 
Re: Step by Step.
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:27:03 
Re: Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:47 
Mr. Lee and a Prediction.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:52 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-03 09:51:10 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-13 14:26:57 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-03 09:55:51 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-07-03 15:34:45 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-03 16:30:01 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-03 23:19:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 22:25:08 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-04 04:07:03 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 22:50:24 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-04 03:06:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-03 23:01:40 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-04 04:14:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 03:57:20 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:33:07 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 06:01:53 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:41:09 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 13:48:44 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:36:08 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-07-04 16:13:20 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-09 03:58:05 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-09 09:09:09 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:33:01 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-09 10:10:12 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-09 18:01:42 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-11 02:06:01 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-09 10:20:35 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-11 03:21:01 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-09 10:56:53 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-11 02:21:02 
Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-10 10:46:25 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-11 02:18:01 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-10 12:38:30 
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"Toby" <nosp  2008-07-11 02:22:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-11 05:23:47 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:35:02 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:47:01 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:39:05 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:09:01 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 10:32:25 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:52:02 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-13 08:58:33 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:39:03 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 11:27:01 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:37:10 
Re: Step by Step.
none <""bbb\  2008-07-16 11:06:50 
Re: Step by Step.
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:07:01 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 10:34:08 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 10:36:07 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-11 10:53:41 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:10:03 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-13 08:31:29 
"Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-11 11:20:29 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 06:16:01 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 11:40:58 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-11 15:25:02 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-13 05:56:02 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:28 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 15:55:27 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-07-11 18:15:15 
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"mohor-yen" <  2008-07-13 19:02:02 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 23:38:02 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-07-12 02:10:23 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-12 09:05:53 
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baldeagle <botakeagle@  2008-07-12 20:55:26 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 07:49:06 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 02:09:07 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 08:04:53 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:57:03 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:38:53 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:00:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 08:10:53 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-13 11:44:54 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:44:02 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 04:53:00 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:05:01 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:41 
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none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 10:19:18 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:31:03 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:43:08 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:36 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:38:02 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 08:54:23 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 02:13:04 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:39:09 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 11:48:36 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 11:53:11 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:48:14 
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ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-13 12:32:51 
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"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-14 01:45:05 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:39 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 10:49:42 
Step by Step.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 23:29:20 
Re: Step by Step.
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:29:02 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-17 12:08:24 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-19 20:12:56 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-19 23:54:54 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-25 15:08:19 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-23 17:17:31 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-24 13:02:07 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-25 14:45:59 
Re: Step by Step.
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-28 17:22:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 13:38:38 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 03:06:35 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 05:53:01 
Prediction about Mr. Lee
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:12:19 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 03:17:41 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 03:14:02 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 03:38:02 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 03:06:01 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:38:58 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:06:01 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-17 19:59:50 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 03:43:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 06:31:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:04:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 21:44:34 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:16:58 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:18:04 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:21:21 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:22:59 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 03:14:02 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 10:25:03 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 10:48:14 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:57:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-15 22:38:56 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-14 10:54:35 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 14:22:12 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:07:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 13:30:31 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 13:33:13 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 20:33:11 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 02:15:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 18:03:51 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-14 21:17:24 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 01:38:10 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-15 05:56:02 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-15 08:55:18 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-15 11:40:45 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 23:03:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-15 12:05:29 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:59:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-15 13:48:37 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:17:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:40 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-15 21:44:22 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-16 22:15:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:30 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 01:05:22 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
none <""bbb\  2008-07-17 20:03:26 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 03:44:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 05:22:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 03:40:02 
Mr. Lee's illogical arguments
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:51 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 11:27:34 
Re: "Bait and Switch" Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 03:42:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 11:59:12 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 02:39:02 
The CCP oppresses the Chinese people
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:32 
Mr. Lee's illogical arguments.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:34 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 13:20:55 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 02:52:02 
Mr. Lee's illogical arguments.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:43 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-17 17:48:18 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 19:35:36 
Re: Yellow press and beyond Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 19:39:54 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-17 19:41:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-19 02:41:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
force.sin@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-07-18 09:39:22 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-18 09:49:33 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS--China's repressed press
force.sin@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-07-19 08:19:54 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-19 15:24:32 
Mr. Lee's illogical arguments.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-22 13:40:36 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-22 05:02:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-19 15:43:46 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-23 03:36:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-19 15:51:28 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-22 05:06:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 10:37:21 
Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
"abianchen@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-21 23:30:04 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-23 21:52:55 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-22 06:29:30 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-23 03:26:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-23 21:52:45 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 08:23:07 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 08:26:24 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-22 22:26:25 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-23 03:06:01 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 17:08:23 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 05:25:42 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-07-23 21:52:53 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-28 01:06:02 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
ltlee1 <ltlee1@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 06:18:08 
Re: AMERICA'S YELLOW PRESS
"Toby" <kyma  2008-07-28 00:58:03 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
WanLF <wanlongfak@[EMA  2008-07-23 10:22:59 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
enterprise <Enterprise  2008-07-23 10:39:49 
For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-23 10:53:35 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 09:28:12 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 11:03:42 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-23 11:12:22 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 09:33:29 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-08-04 03:34:31 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-08-04 08:20:28 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-08-04 08:20:04 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-23 18:43:42 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 09:48:57 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
"mohor-yen" <  2008-07-24 16:12:06 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 18:53:52 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 19:05:09 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-23 18:56:52 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
generic_communist@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 20:57:28 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 18:38:23 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:22:04 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
generic_communist@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:28:42 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 18:40:14 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:33:30 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
generic_communist@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:37:22 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 18:42:38 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 21:58:23 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-24 14:24:09 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-24 15:16:46 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Bryson <bryson@[EMAIL   2008-07-24 04:41:01 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
Duke Lama <duke@[EMAIL  2008-07-25 15:14:10 
Re: For Jim Walsh!!!
abian_chen@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-25 00:26:11 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
achtung <konon@[EMAIL   2008-07-29 00:32:10 
Re: Jim Walsh's stupid arguments
skygod <skygod@[EMAIL   2008-07-29 18:58:41 

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