Re: Step by Step.

Lech Dog, it is you again!  WTF are you trying to say?
Get back to your psychiatrist!


skygod wrote:

> that is communists' dog's illusion to lies.
> no one can be blinded to the fact :
> chinese people's living are worst of all era, since 1949,
> under communism's monopolization.
> that is why happens too many refugees damaging other countries, making
> all chinese feels ashamed and discrimated more than all before.
> communists' dogs can only throw dirt to western power !!!!
>
> since 1949, all countries had been blocking PRC mainland,
> if there were any power to hurt Chinese, it can only be Russian.
>
> Duke Lama 提到:
> >
> > Toby wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Duke Lama" <duke@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> >>news:487EC5B8.4828A756@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Toby wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Jim Walsh" <jimNOwalsSPAMh3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> >>>>news:0001HW.C4A2E35000365BE0F01846D8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:49:42 +0800, none wrote
> >>>>>(in article <617c0$487cb92e$d8feac66$25381@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Jim Walsh å?Té":
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:32:51 +0800, ltlee1 wrote
> >>>>>>>(in article
>
>>>>>>><073c99fd-960b-4bb0-a882-f3a9c229ce76@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Many of them talk as if they care about the Chinese people. They
> >>>>>>>>don't.
> >>>>>>>>They
> >>>>>>>>just want to bash China and the Chinese people.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I have spent the last 20 years of my life living among the
Chinese.
> >>>>>>>How
> >>>>>>>dare
> >>>>>>>you accuse me of ba****ng the Chinese.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>By falsely attacking the Chinese government, you are attacking the
> >>>>>>Chinese people as a whole.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If the government of China were selected by the Chinese, I could
> >>>>>reasonably
> >>>>>blame at least some of them for their government's misdeeds.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>It is fair to blame those Americans who voted for Bush for at least
> >>>>>some
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>his more predictable misdeeds (like the policies that created the
high
> >>>>>gasoline prices).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>But the Chinese people have not elected their government, so they
can
> >>>>>not
> >>>>>be
> >>>>>blamed for it.
> >>>>
> >>>>For hundreds of years the Chinese people have been kept poor and
> >>>>miserable
> >>>>by their corrupt officials. It is only by partially adopting some
Western
> >>>>models, specifically by dropping centralized control of industry and
> >>>>distribution, that they have begun to rise out of the pit that their
> >>>>systems
> >>>>had kept them in.
> >>>
> >>>You forgot to mention  that main contibution to China's poverty over
the
> >>>recent
> >>>hundreds of year was invasion by foreign powers but not domestic
> >>>corruption.
> >>
> >>The British used the Chinese against each other, but never occupied
China
> >>like they did India. Arguably they did the Chinese a great service by
> >>governing Hong Kong as they did, and keeping it out of the grip of
domestic
> >>corruption. The Japanese occupation was brutal but short-lived.
> >>
> >>If the Chinese had not been so weak to begin with, bled dry by
internal
> >>politics and corruption, they never would have fallen victim to the
> >>exploitation by Western powers.
> >>
> >>The mass-murderer Mao was propelled to power exactly because of
domestic
> >>corruption.
> >>
> >>Toby
> >
> >
> >
> > The fact that the West overrun the East in 18 Century and has since
then
> > dominated the planet was just accidental, a rising West met by a
weakening Ching
> > dynasty. What if the suituation is reversed, say the West in her age
of agonies
> > met by a strong China, say the Tang or the Mongolians (if they were
regarded as
> > Chinese at all)?
> >
> > And about Mao's coming to power, apparently you know too little about
history of
> > China in particular her modern history. The communist at the beginning
did not
> > have the vision of conquering the whole China at all. Their initial
quest was
> > the opening of the KMT government to democracy. There have been a
series of
> > peace talk between CCP and KMT after WWII which were not successful,
partly due
> > to Chiang Kai Shek' stubborness, but more im****tantly, the backing of
the
> > corruptive KMT by the West and USA goverment in the fear of arising
soviet
> > influence. Should there not been the interference by West, Chiang
might have
> > been compelled to yield, full scale civil might have been avoided,
peace talk
> > might have been successful and China has long become a state of
democracy with
> > alternating ruling Parties like the USA .
> >
> >
> > ....
> >
>
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