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> > > > >> >> >> >On Jul 4, 3:24 am, Free Tibet
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> > > > >> >> >> >> <fyfp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >The government subsidy of any religion is wrong. And
t=
he Chinese
> > > > >> >> >> >> >government has been doing this in Tibet in a very
stup=
id way. If
> > > > >> >> >> >> >anyone in Tibet wants to become a lama in a temple,
he=
or she should
> > > > >> >> >> >> >finance his or her own career endeavor in much the
sam=
e way that an
> > > > >> >> >> >> >engineer student has to finance his schooling. That
th=
e central
> > > > >> >> >> >> >government has been financially sup****ting Tibet's
rel=
igion and in
> > > > >> >> >> >> >particular that monstrous building named Potala in
ord=
er to tell the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >world how nice the Chinese government is does sound
si=
lly to me and
> > > > >> >> >> >> >has already backfired.
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >Government's financial sup****t of Potala has created
a=
surplus of
> > > > >> >> >> >> >lamas at a prive level above equilibrium that would
ha=
ve prevailed
> > > > >> >> >> >> >under a competitive market situation. =A0Years ago in
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California,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >government sup****ted college education programs
create=
d a generation
> > > > >> >> >> >> >of 'flower people' or the intellectual proletarians.
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=A0These people did
> > > > >> >> >> >> >not want to pick up meniel jobs; they just wanted to
p=
rovide answers
> > > > >> >> >> >> >to how to save mankind from sufferings.
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >Potala at this moment is very much like the
California=
education
> > > > >> >> >> >> >system years ago when I was there. =A0The Tibetan
fami=
lies are sending
> > > > >> >> >> >> >their kids to this large monumental structure where
th=
ey can have free
> > > > >> >> >> >> >food and lodging while reciting mantra and do so at
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vernment
> > > > >> >> >> >> >expenses or the expenses of the tax payers in the
othe=
r parts of
> > > > >> >> >> >> >China. =A0At the same time they are getting sympathy
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rom the other
> > > > >> >> >> >> >'flower people' or welfare bums in the rest of the
wor=
ld especially
> > > > >> >> >> >> >Canada and Europe.
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >What the Chinese governent should do is to privatize
P=
otala and turn
> > > > >> >> >> >> >it into a private enterprise capable of sup****ting
its=
elf. =A0That means
> > > > >> >> >> >> >anyone who wants to become a lama there should pay
for=
his own
> > > > >> >> >> >> >religious endeavor instead of leaning on the
governmen=
t for money. =A0In
> > > > >> >> >> >> >this way, they can achieve freedom by paying for what
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they are getting
> > > > >> >> >> >> >at Potala. =A0The government would no longer need to
p=
ut up any show to
> > > > >> >> >> >> >the foreign press and it is up to the directors in
thi=
s Potala
> > > > >> >> >> >> >Incor****ated to maintain laws and orders. =A0The
direc=
tors of this
> > > > >> >> >> >> >Potala Incor****ated can invite into its holy premises
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big names like
> > > > >> >> >> >> >Big Mac and Starbuck or Peking ducks...or night clubs
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as long as these
> > > > >> >> >> >> >business activities can keep Potala pay off its
overhe=
ads and keep the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >surplus monks out of trouble. =A0If the Chinese
govern=
ment could do
> > > > >> >> >> >> >that, it would further observe the spirit of Adam
Smit=
h's laissez-
> > > > >> >> >> >> >faire philosophy.
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> > > > >> >> >> >> Provide a proper free education system that teaches
rea=
ding and
> > > > >> >> >> >> writing of Tibetan language and perhaps the number of
y=
oung monks
> > > > >> >> >> >> might reduce. It's unlikely though. Young children
were=
able to go and
> > > > >> >> >> >> study at monasteries at an early age, just as Chinese
k=
ids start
> > > > >> >> >> >> school at 5yo or so, but China now says a Tibetan must
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be 17yo to go
> > > > >> >> >> >> to the monasteries. Starting reading and writing at
17?=
Good way to
> > > > >> >> >> >> dumb down the occupied country isn't it?
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> > > > >> >> >> >> Tibetans have had Buddhism over 1000 years longer than
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China has had
> > > > >> >> >> >> communism and that's not even the same communism China
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had 60 years
> > > > >> >> >> >> ago! =A0Tibetans stick to what works. Not all new
ideas=
are better than
> > > > >> >> >> >> the old. But it's about cultural genocide - don't let
t=
hem access
> > > > >> >> >> >> their own written and oral history and their culture
MU=
ST die out.
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> > > > >> >> >> >> Kindness and compassion are in short supply in the
Chin=
ese government
> > > > >> >> >> >> and, from what I read here, in the Chinese people too.
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> > > > >> >> >> >> FT
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> > > > >> >> >> >My understanding is that the natives of Tibet study
their=
native
> > > > >> >> >> >language together with Mandarin in primary and high
schoo=
ls. =A0Is my
> > > > >> >> >> >understanding incorrect?
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> > > > >> >> >> Unfortunately education is only available in major towns
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nd usually
> > > > >> >> >> only to Han Chinese. The education is not free and most
Ti=
betans
> > > > >> >> >> cannot afford the school fees. Chinese is taught in
primar=
y and
> > > > >> >> >> secondary schools but not all schools offer Tibetan. If
th=
ey do, the
> > > > >> >> >> students are taught Tibetan by Chinese teachers who
rarely=
have the
> > > > >> >> >> skills to teach both languages.
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> > > > >> >> >I question the validity of the statements you have made.
=A0=
Any proof?
> > > > >> >> >Don't just throw something into the air and treat it
> > > > >> >> >done!
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> > > > >> >> The statements I have made are from living in Tibet with
Tibe=
tan
> > > > >> >> people.
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> > > > >> >That is not do***ented evidence. =A0It is a bunch of heresay.
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> > > > >> And what label should we put on the statements of yours?
Where's=
your
> > > > >> proof?
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> > > > >> >I am not throwing anything in the air, unlike this statement:
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >Government's financial sup****t of Potala has created
a=
surplus of
> > > > >> >> >> >> >lamas at a prive level above equilibrium that would
ha=
ve prevailed
> > > > >> >> >> >> >under a competitive market situation.
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> > > > >> >In the absence of do***ented evidence, you do need theories to
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make
> > > > >> >inference of the situation. =A0I also have friends who are
Tibe=
tans
> > > > >> >themselves too. =A0What they have said is different from what
y=
ou have
> > > > >> >said.
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> > > > >> Theories hey? How are your theories more accurate than mine or
a=
nyone
> > > > >> else who posts here? Re your Tibetan friends maybe they are
peop=
le who
> > > > >> "like the Chinese" or are afraid to speak the truth or just
don'=
t know
> > > > >> what's going on. Hearsay.
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> > > > >> >> What exactly is a competitive market situation for lamas?
Wha=
t proof
> > > > >> >> is there for this? I think a lot of people who have never
vis=
ited, let
> > > > >> >> alone lived in Tibet, make these types of claims which are
ba=
sically
> > > > >> >> rubbish.
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> > > > >> >Why have the Tibetans not come out of Tibet and seek
employment
> > > > >> >elsewhere? =A0This shows you where the economic op****tunities
a=
re.
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> > > > >> Great idea! And what language should they speak to get these
eco=
nomic
> > > > >> op****tunites?
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> > > > >Mandarin...what else? =A0Do you need to speak English in the US
to
> > > > >obtain economic op****tunities?
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> > > > You don't appear to be reading very well. Most Tibetans can't
affor=
d
> > > > school fees. I do not live in the US.
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> > > > >Since you said no native language
> > > > >training is given to the Tibetans, what is left is that they
> > > > >spent years(up to 17 age) in studying Mandarin. =A0What is the
> > > > >problem there?
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> > > > As above.
>
> > > > >You have your account and I have mine. =A0I am asking you for
> > > > >proof. =A0I am not saying you are wrong, nor I am saying that I
> > > > >have been misinformed by my Tibetan friend. =A0So show proof.
> > > > >For example, you seem to have suggested the Tibetans are not
> > > > >taught their native language up to 17 and after they reach
> > > > >17 the teachers are only Hans. =A0Show proof of what you said,
eit=
her in
> > > > >the form of do***ented evidence or otherwise. =A0Is there
> > > > >a law that forbids native Tibetans from teaching their language?
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> > > > OK. In simple terms. VERY few
> > > > Tibetans get the op****tunity to go to
> > > > school, let alone TEACH at a school.
>
> > > How few?
>
> > > > We are talking about an occupied
> > > > country. The invaders don't treat the invaded as they do their
own.
> > > > The invaded are treated as second class citizens.
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> > > Foreign Titans such as those in India are probably treated by their
> > > hosts as second class citizens.
>
> > LT demands an impossibly high standard of proof from others when their
> > assertions don't sup****t his agenda. Yet, he tries to get away with
> > "probably" with no backup with his own assertions. Very silly and
> > lame. And false, certainly in the case of the US. I have seen with my
> > own eyes that Tibetans are not treated as second class citizens here.
>
> > BTW, a Titan is a deity from Greek mythology. I didn't realize there
> > were any in India today ;-)
>
> > > Not in China. Quite the contrary, the
> > > Tibetans have more rights in comparison to the Han Chinese.
>
> > Yes, we know you always spin it that way. The reality, however, is
> > much different.> > Their future is
> > > > grim. Their culture is being eroded every day of every year. The
wa=
y
> > > > you ****tray Tibet and Tibetans shows you know absolutely nothing
ab=
out
> > > > the reality of life in Tibet. All you know is what the Chinese
> > > > government has told you. Your
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"Prove it," loser. LOL!
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